OG-89

[micht]

each不是應該代Singular Noun??

好的

總結我與麥克剔的看法

結論就是

原句還原---there were 128 pupils for every one computer

如此一來,既顧到我的前後對稱,也解決了麥克剔的單複數問題...

這樣ok了吧??

有錯請指正...

我同意!! ~~

[Behemoth]

ㄚ ㄋㄛ......各位 :)

ㄚ我的疑問還在吶 (ohoh)


there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many as there were (every 128 pupils for one computer)

why can't be ...

there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many as there WAS (one microcomputer for every 128 pupils)

why OG showed "were" instead of "was" ?? I can understand what you guys to say but what I don't understand is the reason of "there were 128 pupils for one computer"

翻中文來看好了

現在是32人一台電腦,這比例是以前的四倍
那麼以前不就是128人一台電腦囉...

[agk99]

qq講的是個問題
這要好好想想

[8妹]

大家看看
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp ... n=0&page=1

QQ不知道可不可以解決妳的Q :P

[QQcandy]

is there discussion of OG89 ? I can't find it nehhh :-S

[micht]

from cd

dxwei2008

我個人覺得可以象如下這樣理解，不過我不保証正确啊。

１、先舉一個簡單點的例子
　　There are 8 computers in this classroom, 4 times as many as there ( ) in that classroom.
　　上面這個例子要表達的這個教室有８台電腦，是那個教室里的四倍。誰都知道括號里應該填寫的是are，而不是is。

２、變換一下
　　There are 8 students in this class room.
　　There is one computer for every student, four times as many as there ( ) in that classroom.
　　這個句子比上面那個句子加了一個前提，就是教師里有8個學生。每個學生有一台。描述的是同樣一個道理，你覺得括號里應該是填are還是is呢？

３、如何解釋這個題目
　　前半句there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils和后半句there were four years ago，它們兩句話所表達的倍數關系是什麼物質的倍數關系呢？肯定是電腦台數的倍數關系，並不是平均每台電腦的使用頻率上的倍數關系。既然是電腦台數的倍數關系，那麼我們可以肯定，四年前肯定不是只有一台電腦吧。那麼肯定要用were。前半句是用一台電腦的使用人數來表達電腦的台數，后半句直接使用數字個數來表達電腦的台數，所以要用復數。

４、大家再看一個句子
　　There is one computer for every 4 student in this classroom, four times as frequently used as there () in that classroom.
　　大家想想看，這個題目要用are還是is。

不知道講清楚了沒有，如果沒有可以再問。

[8妹]

(d7) 有啊,以下是轉載cd

in most expression of quantity, the verb is determined by the noun (or pronoun) that follows of

(1) two-third of the money is mine.

(2) two-third of the pennies are mine

我想到三种可能性:

(1) four times as many as there were xxx computers(按南瓜m讲的, 指的是整体性的电脑的数量)

(2) four times as many as there were 1/128 computers for each student (按阿T讲的指的是比例的整体关系)

(3) four times as many as there was one computer for each 128 pupils (我的想法)

我想我知道了......谢谢阿T与南瓜.......thanx.....

大家再討論看看

[魚]

Behemoth
我不素麥克.. :|

挖哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

不是我再說滴

B爺真的很寶哩

[Behemoth]

Behemoth
我不素麥克.. :|

挖哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

不是我再說滴

B爺真的很寶哩

魚姐魚姐 詳情請見第一頁倒數第二樓詳細分析 :D

[魚]

Behemoth
我不素麥克.. :|

挖哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

不是我再說滴

B爺真的很寶哩

魚姐魚姐 詳情請見第一頁倒數第二樓詳細分析 :D

了 :D

ps. 剛收到ETS的信說3天內回覆 不急的話等等看嚕

[訪客]

今天跟Grace討論過這題
假設micomputer是分子,pupils是分母
前面講的四倍指的是pupils,不是one microcomputer,用there were是為了跟分母(pupils)對稱
所以原句還原是four times as many as there were 128 pupils,沒有之前的for every computer,因為這樣會誤導讀者跟前面句型對稱的念頭
請指教

[QQcandy]

hmm...It sounds reasonable for me as what Mike and Grace said..."many" refers to students so it should usd "were"...

thanks Mike and Grace :D

[Ethan]

If mikelee and Grace are right, they just revise English grammar.
For example:
May: Can you open the windows for me?
Jim: Yes, I can.( 省略open the windows for you)

Joe: Are you Mr. Black?
Black: Yes. (省略I am Mr.Black.)

英文之所以可以省略是因為前面已經提到一模一樣的字句，省略不會造成句意之誤解。
You won’t say the sentence is “ I can open you for the windows”.

假如ETS今天回信給魚確定題目沒錯，
這�就不能說there were 128 pupils for every one computer.
唯一的可能是
…there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils,
four times as many as there were computers for pupils four years ago.
The construction "one X for every thirty-two Y's"
to describe the ratio(NOT exactl ratio) of computers to pupils
是一種比喻的講法，沒有真實的值，每3個人中有一個死於cancer，
並非真的就是絕對的值，只是強調cancer比率很高，有33%左右的機率。

[micht]

Ethan 你的說法我同意...如果 there were 128 pupils for every one computer 錯的話
那就一定是 there were computers for pupils

感謝你的詳解

[Ethan]

(D)every thirty-two pupils now have one micro¬computer, four times as many than there were
(E)every thirty-two pupils now has one microcom¬puter, four times as many as
Choices D and E reorder and garble the "one X ..." construction, making “four times as many as” refer illogically to pupils.
按OG的解釋，換句話說，four times as many as/ than there were
是要modify前一句的主詞。
故我們可以判斷four times as many as 應該接
there were computers for pupils four years ago.
進一步說，four times as many as的前後句子結構是應該
maintain parallelism in the comparison as well.