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文章davidlee0222 » 2005-01-10 17:50

不好意思
小弟補充一下
應該是剛好相反
第一句是非限定用法表示有好幾個霸霸
第二句是限定用法表示只有那一個
因此世界上不會有第一句話出現
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文章8妹 » 2005-01-10 19:04

davidlee0222 \$m[1]:不好意思
小弟補充一下
應該是剛好相反
第一句是非限定用法表示有好幾個霸霸
第二句是限定用法表示只有那一個
因此世界上不會有第一句話出現

i90 你的意思是這樣子理解是不對的嗎?
My father, who is tall, is...我爸很高.. 我只有一個爸爸
My father who is tall ....我那個很高的爸爸...言下之意還有其他爸爸...
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文章davidlee0222 » 2005-01-10 19:19

不是ㄝ
第一句是
我的霸霸,高的那一個
表示還有矮的霸霸
不可能出現這種句子
矮的應該是養父或乾爹之類的

第二句
我那個高高的霸霸
只有一個
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i see i73
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文章agk99 » 2005-01-10 20:28

想請david兄再看一下,我想你可能太忙沒看清楚

agk99 \$m[1]:我想這是翻譯與認知的問題

non-restrictive 是語法中翻譯用語,直譯非限定用法,但確是專指最前面代的主詞或名詞
如上面說的My father, who is tall, is...我爸很高.. 只有一個爸爸,這反而是以"限定"來理解會好理解一些

restrictive 則可直譯為限定用法,是指前面的複數動詞的其中一個
如 my brothers who is ....我其中一個哥哥,反而是非限定才對



標準用法是這樣的:
comma後面加which 非限定用法 專指前面指代的名詞

沒有comma, 直接補which,是限定用法,是泛指暗示還有其他情況

再進一步來說
The old man has a son , who is in the army .(此句中,非限定性用法是對先行詞son進行補充、說明。但本句所傳達的資訊是:"這位老人只有一個兒子" 。可以視為補述,甚至直接視為插入句跳讀不看

如果將此句改寫成限定性用法:
The old man has a son who is in the army. 那位老人有一個在部隊工作的兒子。那麼,限定性用法就要對先行詞son進行限定、修飾。這樣一來,句子所傳達的資訊就變成了:"這位老人有一個兒子在部隊工作,還有其他的兒子在幹別的工作"。)那位老人有很多兒子。

這是語法中的專有名詞,請小心,的確是很容易搞混
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文章agk99 » 2005-01-10 20:32

再補充OG中的解釋

234. The physical structure of the human eye enables it to sense light of wavelengths up to 0.0005 millimeters; infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye.

(A) infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye
(B) however, the wavelength of infrared radiation—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye making it invisible
(C) infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long for the eye to register it
(D) however, because the wavelength of infrared radiation is 0.1 millimeters, it is too long for the eye to register and thus invisible(A)
(E) however, infrared radiation has a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long for the eye to register, thus making it invisible

重點在這

Choice A, the best answer, is clear, idiomatic, and grammatically correct. In B, the misplaced participial phrase making it invisible modifies eye rather than wavelength, thus producing a confusing statement that distorts the meaning. In C, D, and E the use of the second it is so imprecise as to be confusing. Furthermore, in D, and thus invisible incorrectly modifies wavelength rather than infrared radiation. Choice E produces an illogical statement by using a restrictive clause introduced by that where a comma followed by the nonrestrictive “which” is required: a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long nonsensically suggests that not all wavelengths of 0.1 millimeters are too long for the eye to register.
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文章agk99 » 2005-01-10 20:36

http://www.formosamba.com/phpBB3/viewtopi ... 5&start=15
這是ets針對 OG141的回覆,強調非限定是加逗號,是專指這對定的雙包胎

Odinhsu, Behemoth你兩位沒錯,請安心
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文章agk99 » 2005-01-10 21:18

http://gpaper.gigigaga.com/ep_news.asp?n=134733&p=hos99

這裡有更詳盡的限制與非限制的說明與舉例,歡迎大家參考
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agk99,

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文章8妹 » 2005-01-10 23:26

1.
限制的關係子句(Restrictive Relative Clause):


如果先行詞所包括的範圍很廣而要用一個關係子句以明確指出所言的物件,這種關係子句因具有限制的作用,所以稱為限制的關係子句。這種子句若是省略了會令人不知所云,所以是句中不可缺少的部分,因而又稱為必要的子句(Essential Clause)。 如:


(1)
Persons who take somebody elses property secretly are called thieves.
(秘密地拿走他人財物的人叫做小偷。—— 不告而取者謂之賊。)

"who take somebody elses property secretly"是個關係子句,在句中的作用是指什麼樣的人(叫做小偷),有限制的作用,所以是限制的關係子句。

如果把這個子句省略掉,看看成什麼樣子:

Persons are called thieves.這是什麼意思? 是"人叫做小偷"?! 依此說來,你、我都是人,也都是小偷?! 由此可知,限制的關係子句是必要的、不可省的。


(2)
People whom the gods love die young.
(神明愛的人死得早。—— 好人不長壽。—— 才子短命。)

什麼樣的人死得早? "whom the gods love"(神明愛的人),這個子句有限制的作用,所以是限制的關係子句。

如果把這個子句省略掉,便成了下面這樣的句子:

People die young.意思是"人死得早"。這句話的含義究竟是什麼? 天知道!

上面這個例子的說法其實我不贊成。我的看法是:

People whom the gods love live long. 題外話,對不起。

2.
非限制的關係子句(Nonrestrictive Relative Clause):


如果先行詞所指的物件已明確(如my father, Mr.A等),後面所接的關係子句即沒有限制的作用,只是附帶的對於先行詞增加一些補充的陳述,即使省略了,對於原句所要表達的重點並無改變。這種子句即稱為非限制的關係子句。由於其省略後對於原句的意義不致於發生重大影響,所以又稱為非必要的關係子句(Nonessential Relative Clause),或稱補述的關係子句(Continuative Relative Clause)。這樣的子句和其先行詞之間必須用逗點分開,若是在主要子句的中間,子句的前後都要有逗點。 如:


(1)
His father, who is in Hongkong, will return to Taipei next week.
(他的爸爸下星期回台北,現在他在香港。)

這個句子所要表達的主題是"他的爸爸下星期要回台北(His father will return to Taipei next week)",附帶說明一下"現在他人在香港(who is in Hongkong)"。如果將其中的關係子句省略,剩下的"His father will return to Taipei next week"依然是所要表達的主題,絲毫沒有改變。 


重要提示:非限制的關係子句既然是在主題而外附帶加以補充的陳述,就不能像限制的關係子句那樣的方式譯成中文(即不能譯成"……的")。例如上面一句若是譯成"他在香港的爸爸下星期要回台北"的話,這成什麼話? 不像話! 難道他在美國或其他地方還有爸爸?! 正確的方式是先將主要子句(亦即主題)譯出,然後再譯關係子句。


(2)
a.
His brother who is in Honkong will return to Taipei next week.(限制)
(他在香港的哥哥下星期回台北。)

這個句子暗示"除了在香港的這個哥哥之外,他還有其他的哥哥。"他不只一個哥哥。



b.
His brother, who is in Hongkong, will return to Taipei next week.(非限制)
(他的哥哥下星期回台北,現在他在香港。)

這個句子表示他只有這個哥哥,所以不必再加以限制。


(3)
a.
Everybody loves a boy who is polite.(限制)
(=Everybody loves a polite boy.)
(每個人都喜愛有禮貌的小孩。)



b.
Everybody loves this boy, who is polite.(非限制)
(=Everybody loves this boy, as he is polite.)
(每個人都喜愛這個小孩,因為他有禮貌。)


(4)
a.
The lady who is wearing sun-glasses is my mother.(限制)
(戴著太陽眼鏡的那位女士是我的母親。)



b.
My mother, who is wearing sun-glasses, is talking with a foreigner.(非限制)
(我的母親在跟一位外國人談話,她戴著太陽眼鏡。)


(5)
a.
This is the man whose house was burnt down last night.(限制)
(這就是昨天晚上房子燒掉的那個人。)



b.
My uncle, whose house was burnt down last night, will come to live with us.(非限制)
(我的叔父要來跟我們住在一起,因為他的房子昨晚燒掉了。)


(6)
a.
A boy whom I had not seen before came to see me.(限制)
(一個我以前沒有見過的男孩來看我。)



b.
I did not know Mr.A, whom I had not seen before.(非限制)
(我不認識A先生,因為我以前沒有見過他。)


(7)
a.
The fruit which was in the cellar was ruined.(限制)
(地下室裡的水果腐爛了。)

本句暗示還有水果放在其他地方。



b.
The fruit, which was in the cellar, was ruined.(非限制)
(這些水果腐爛了,它們是放在地下室裡的。)

本句暗示所有的水果都放在cellar裡。
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文章davidlee0222 » 2005-01-11 12:50

感謝AGK大大
小弟查了一下真的搞錯了
restrictive限定用法
沒有鬥號
是指被修飾主詞有好幾個
而是被關代後限定的那一個

nonrestrictive非限定用法
有鬥號
鬥號後關代子句僅用於補述
可將補述移除不影響原意
而前面的被修飾主詞只有一個
不須加以限制也知道是指誰

跟trish8m大大說聲抱歉
小弟跟讀書會組員一直都搞錯了
您前面提到
My father, who is tall, is...我爸很高.. 我只有一個爸爸
My father who is tall ....我那個很高的爸爸...言下之意還有其他爸爸...
這個是對的
不會有第二句出現才對

感謝Behemoth大大、Odinhsu大大
AGK大大和trish8m大大
讓小弟突破盲點!!

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The American Heritage® Book of English Usage.
A Practical and Authoritative Guide to Contemporary English. 1996.


1. Grammar: Traditional Rules, Word Order, Agreement, and Case


§ 62. that
that / which (restrictive and nonrestrictive clauses). The standard rule requires that you use that only to introduce a restrictive (or defining) relative clause, which identifies the person or thing being talked about; in this use it should never be preceded by a comma. Thus, in the sentence The house that Jack built has been torn down, the clause that Jack built is a restrictive clause telling which specific house was torn down. Similarly, in I am looking for a book that is easy to read, the restrictive clause that is easy to read tells what kind of book is desired. 1
By contrast, you use which only with nonrestrictive (or nondefining) clauses, which give additional information about something that has already been identified in the context; in this use, which is always preceded by a comma. Thus you should say The students in Chemistry 101 have been complaining about the textbook, which (not that) is hard to follow. The clause which is hard to follow is nonrestrictive in that it does not indicate which text is being complained about; even if it were omitted, we would know that the phrase the textbook refers to the text in Chemistry 101. It should be easy to follow the rule in nonrestrictive clauses like this, since which here sounds more natural than that. 2
Some people extend the rule and insist that, just as that should be used only in restrictive clauses, which should be used only in nonrestrictive clauses. By this thinking, you should avoid using which in sentences such as I need a book which will tell me all about city gardening, where the restrictive clause which will tell me all about city gardening describes what sort of book is needed. But this use of which with restrictive clauses is very common, even in edited prose. If you fail to follow the rule in this point, you have plenty of company. Moreover, there are some situations in which which is preferable to that. Which can be especially useful where two or more relative clauses are joined by and or or: It is a philosophy in which ordinary people may find solace and which many have found reason to praise. You may also want to use which to introduce a restrictive clause when the preceding phrase contains a that: We want to assign only that book which will be most helpful.

http://www.unh.edu/creative/resources/styleguide.html
Use a comma or pair of commas to set off a nonrestrictive clause. A clause is nonrestrictive if it can be omitted without changing the meaning of the main clause.

Nonrestrictive: Of Mice and Men, which is often banned by local school boards, is generally considered an American classic.

Use no commas with restrictive clauses that follow the main clause:

Restrictive: He will begin classes in January if he is accepted for admission.

Use a comma to set off a dependent clause that precedes the main clause:

Right: If he is accepted for admission, he will begin classes in January.

Use that (who in the case of persons) to introduce a restrictive clause, which (who in the case of persons) to introduce a nonrestrictive clause:

Restrictive: Steinbeck wrote the book that made us want to move out west.


Nonrestrictive: The Scarlet Letter, which I read in high school, has been made into a movie.


See also that and which

Use commas to set off parenthetical elements that are closely related to the rest of the sentence. Use em dashes or parentheses to set off elements that aren't so closely related to the rest of the sentence. Because punctuation plays a role in suggesting the closeness of the relationship between clauses, however, the choice of commas over em dashes or parentheses is a matter of editorial preference.

See dash

The professor, it was rumored, had decided not to teach his popular seminar in the fall.


That announcement was, to say the least, disappointing to many students.


TV 1234–a historical analysis of the sitcom–offers a close look at the phenomenon of television.


To test the student's proficiency, the final examinations normally given in elementary French courses (FREN 401 and FREN 402) will be administered.


Courses (and hours) in which the student has earned a grade of "Incomplete" ("I") cannot be applied toward degree requirements.

For appearances' sake, it's usually best to leave off commas at the ends of centered lines of text in invitations, headings, titles, and similar places.

Appositives are usually set off by commas, unless their function is restrictive:

The head of the department, Professor Smith, holds several terminal degrees. (nonrestrictive, because there is only one department head)

His wife, Jill, just got promoted. (nonrestrictive, because he has only one wife)

My coworker Jeff is responsible for those files. (restrictive, because there is more than one coworker)
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文章維尼 » 2005-07-09 20:19

agk99 \$m[1]:Q39:
Past assessments of the Brazilian rain forest have used satellite images to tally deforested areas, where farmers and ranchers have clear-cut and burned all the trees, but such work has not addressed either logging, which is the removal of only selected trees, as well as surface fires, burning down individual trees but do not denude the forest.

A.which is the removal of only selected trees, as well as surface fires, burning
B.which removes only selected trees, or surface fires that burn
C.which removes only selected trees, along with surface fires that burn
D.removing only selected trees, or surface fires, burning
E.removing only selected trees, as well as surface fires that burn





答案B
which是怎麼練都不嫌多的


回到原題
我自己在選的時候是選D
因為非限定子句的先行詞省略是避免
但非不可
可是原題的 surface fire 後面是用 非限定子句
所以如果選B
句意有移轉
兩相比較之下
我寧願選D
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文章davidlee0222 » 2005-07-10 19:55

either A or B
只有BD可以選
如果後面到but之前就結束則BD皆可
意義完全一樣

但是後面有個but是主要結構
真正的結構是
either A or B but C
D結構看起來平衡
但but前沒有逗點
若選D
由burning分辭所帶出的附屬子句會使but變成補述結構
句意主軸沒有完成因此不選
要選B
that補述當作沒看到
還是主要結構
直接接but才回使主要結構完成
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davidlee0222 \$m[1]:either A or B
只有BD可以選
如果後面到but之前就結束則BD皆可
意義完全一樣

但是後面有個but是主要結構
真正的結構是
either A or B but C
D結構看起來平衡
但but前沒有逗點
若選D
由burning分辭所帶出的附屬子句會使but變成補述結構
句意主軸沒有完成因此不選
要選B
that補述當作沒看到
還是主要結構
直接接but才回使主要結構完成


感謝david ~~
我都沒注意到後面那個逗點
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最關鍵的是 but 後面的子句
就已經確定不能用 buring 了
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文章yoyu.tw » 2006-03-01 18:18

illuna \$m[1]:個人認為本題想考非限定用法which盡量不要省略....和either or的用法

答案B....logging名詞對上surface fires名詞....which非限定關代對上that關代子句...有平衡....

這是我做這題的想法...

請指教....

此外偷偷告訴大家一個小秘訣...我發現SC的原題中若畫線部分有which則答案大部分都有.....若題目有N1,N1 which....且N1 which部分有畫線...答案肯定有N1 which....

歡迎大家試試這個解題技巧....


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