[討論]OG-154

[Calvin]

setting是修飾by filing...這個部份的，現在分詞修飾file這個動作

共同主詞的部份，我也不是很懂

這題的慨念，與og另一題119 compounding....修飾前面的動詞是一樣的！

世界和平兄，不妨把這二題合在一起看，應該會有所體會！

分享才是王道喔！不怕問錯說錯，就怕不問不說！

open to discuss

[rhea]

看大家都討論的越來越艱深的樣子,
可是....我的問題是....
the 在這裡的用法,
在(A)跟(B)選項中,分別是放在more than 的前跟後,
我想請問一下, the 在這裡的用法,
會造成語意上的不同嗎? 還是是一樣的?
如果不同的話,不同點是哪裡?
謝謝!

[ivygirl]

我的感覺是：
set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property
the限定more than 500 slaves (表示 more than 500 slaves 都是他的奴隸)

另一個
set free more than the 500 slaves who were legally considered his property
the限定 500 slaves (表示 500 slaves 都是他的奴隸，但還有超過的部分不是屬於他的，他也一併釋放)

不知道這樣有沒有解釋到？

但是關於本題的setting的這個問題
我還是不太能理解...
- agk99大大所說的第一種說明，其省略根據??(by重複-省略, 然後在分詞代替連接詞??)
- agk99大大所說的第二種說明，如mikelee大大所述，文法上該如何解釋??
到底是哪一種說法才對？
頭都暈了....

[revival]

恩恩 不太懂這邊為什麼the 的位置不同會造成句意差這麼多呢？
我有看到上面的解釋,但是還是不能理解,不知道可不可以請各位大大解釋
謝謝^^

[scujean]

恩恩 不太懂這邊為什麼the 的位置不同會造成句意差這麼多呢？
我有看到上面的解釋,但是還是不能理解,不知道可不可以請各位大大解釋
謝謝^^

跟據登峰陳苓芷老師的說法：
the more than 500 slaves who...
原本是the 500 slaves who....而加入的more than 因為專門修飾數字的，所以一定會直接放在500的前面。

[游客]

154
In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation, setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.

(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered

我個人覺得setting....是用來說明emancipation的,解釋"解放"什麼東西.雖然說同位語(非限制形容詞片語)最好不要改分詞片語.不過在這應該Ok吧

不知道這樣對不對ㄝ 希望大家給予我指教.我對這提也挺困惑的.

[juyu]

I totally agree with Wu's saying. As the OG explanation was said, it is the "filing.." that made "setting free.." possible. In other words, OG want to express that there is a cause and effect between this two phrases.

[dibert8]

1. setting (分詞)為呼應 filing 而為必要. 雖然 ", setting ..." = " and set ..." ,但是用對等連接詞變成是兩個獨立的動作 (stunned, set) , 表達不出從屬關係, 也違背了原意.
2. , seting ... 為附屬結構, 為前面發生的事情作補充說明, 用分詞來表達比用連接詞恰當.
3. 由此以 ", setting ..." = " , who set ..." 的非限定用法來講似乎比較合理, 但是 who 易落於指代不清 (R.C.III, family, friends, neighbors), 分詞省去了這個麻煩.
4. setting 的動作發起者(主詞)是 Robert Carter III

[dibert8]

我是從 consider 下手的.
consider 是不完全及物動詞,受詞後面必須加補語(N or Adj) ,形成 S + Vt + O + OC 的句型, 所以不用介係詞 as (與完全及物動詞連用: S + Vt + O ,如果後面還有受詞, 就必須以介係詞帶出.)
刪除 (B) (C) (E) => (A) (D) 比較長短 => (A)

[CherrieLi]

請問(B)哪裡錯誤呢? 不能用 consider as (視為) 嗎?

另外, the more than 跟 more than the 有什麼不一樣嗎?

請幫忙提供詳細的解釋

謝謝!

[dibert8]

consider 為不完全及物動詞,受詞後必須有補語,應用的句型為 S+V+O+OC
e.g. to consider John a good man; to consider the gift valuable
要加 as ("是") 的動詞為完全及物動詞,應用的句型為 S+V+O
e.g. to regard John as a good man, to think the gift as valuable
as +N 為介係詞片語修飾前面的受詞.

the more than 500: 這 500 多
more than the 500: 多於這 500

[CherrieLi]

那請問一下 consider as 應該也可以用在這一句吧? 因為意思一樣不是嗎?

[dibert8]

consider 的受詞後面必需有補語(名詞),介係詞片語不能當補語.
也可以說沒有consider as 這樣的用法.

[ad264]

關於the的用法，作個摘要

In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation, setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.
one of the wealthiest plantation

* Removing "the" would change the meaning.

"Setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property" means that he set free all of his slaves, who numbered more than 500.

"Setting free more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property" means that he set free something more than 500 of his slaves, implying that there were other slaves that he did not set free.

來源: http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentenc ... laves.html