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天山 4-19

邏輯思維的訓練,考試戰場上的對決

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帖子maronchen1103 » 2005-10-27 17:53

林小馬 \$m[1]:
CUGGYER \$m[1]:我也是選A但我發現A有個地方可能是錯的關鍵
D. The first is a claim that the argument seeks to refute; the second is the main point used by the argument to show that the claim is false.
我在想啊 有沒有可能是錯在the claim is false
The critics are correct on this point.

是不是說
這個critic在目前來講是對的
只是未來新的廠商進駐很可能局面就不同了
on this point是指現在嗎 手邊的字典太差找不到... :P

sorry...上篇弄錯了...可是我不會刪文章 :PP
前文恕刪
support your point
D錯在說the claim is false
為什麼呢....
作者同意 critics on this point...什麼point呢
注意注意注意....第一個BF裡面有個current...說現在sales的3%不夠
也就是說作者同意批評者所說現在3%不夠...但以後的sales會增加
因此不能選D...不能說這個claim是錯的
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帖子SELVICHY » 2005-11-20 05:52

maronchen1103 \$m[1]:
林小馬 \$m[1]:
CUGGYER \$m[1]:我也是選A但我發現A有個地方可能是錯的關鍵
D. The first is a claim that the argument seeks to refute; the second is the main point used by the argument to show that the claim is false.
我在想啊 有沒有可能是錯在the claim is false
The critics are correct on this point.

是不是說
這個critic在目前來講是對的
只是未來新的廠商進駐很可能局面就不同了
on this point是指現在嗎 手邊的字典太差找不到... :P

sorry...上篇弄錯了...可是我不會刪文章 :PP
前文恕刪
support your point
D錯在說the claim is false
為什麼呢....
作者同意 critics on this point...什麼point呢
注意注意注意....第一個BF裡面有個current...說現在sales的3%不夠
也就是說作者同意批評者所說現在3%不夠...但以後的sales會增加
因此不能選D...不能說這個claim是錯的


沒錯,arguement並未說critics的結論是錯的,他只是在同樣的條件下提出不同的預測結果.
所以D選項的第二句話是個錯誤.
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帖子stilalala » 2005-11-20 13:43

SELVICHY \$m[1]:
maronchen1103 \$m[1]:
林小馬 \$m[1]:
CUGGYER \$m[1]:我也是選A但我發現A有個地方可能是錯的關鍵
D. The first is a claim that the argument seeks to refute; the second is the main point used by the argument to show that the claim is false.
我在想啊 有沒有可能是錯在the claim is false
The critics are correct on this point.

是不是說
這個critic在目前來講是對的
只是未來新的廠商進駐很可能局面就不同了
on this point是指現在嗎 手邊的字典太差找不到... :P

sorry...上篇弄錯了...可是我不會刪文章 :PP
前文恕刪
support your point
D錯在說the claim is false
為什麼呢....
作者同意 critics on this point...什麼point呢
注意注意注意....第一個BF裡面有個current...說現在sales的3%不夠
也就是說作者同意批評者所說現在3%不夠...但以後的sales會增加
因此不能選D...不能說這個claim是錯的


沒錯,arguement並未說critics的結論是錯的,他只是在同樣的條件下提出不同的預測結果.
所以D選項的第二句話是個錯誤.


同意a第一個bf,是一個事實,現在確實sales tax revenue比 property tax revenue來得少,作者並沒有去refute這個部這個bf的作用,
是critics拿來反對實行這個Plan的(認為限在比較少,以後也比較少

第二個bf則是,如果retail sales如果增加(prediction ),那麼這個plan的實行未必不好 (就削弱了critics 拿第一個bf當原因萊undemine 這個計畫的實行)

請指教 謝謝
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Re: 天山 4-19

帖子donahue922 » 2006-02-10 18:01

chunjuwu \$m[1]:Aroca City currently funds its public schools through taxes on property. In place of this system, the city plans to introduce a sales tax of three percent on all retail sales in the city.
Critics protest that three percent of current retail sales falls short of the amount raised for schools by property taxes. The critics are correct on this point. Nevertheless, implementing the plan will probably not reduce the money going to Aroca’s schools.

Several large retailers have selected Aroca City as the site for huge new stores, and these are certain to draw large numbers of shoppers from neighboring municipalities, where sales are taxed at rates of six percent and more. In consequence, retail sales in Aroca City are bound to increase substantially.

In the argument given, the two potions in boldface play which of the following roles?

A. The first is an objection that has been raised against a certain plan; the second is a prediction that, if accurate, undermines the force of that objection.

D. The first is a claim that the argument seeks to refute; the second is the main point used by the argument to show that the claim is false.


這題CD也有激烈的討論,不過最後好像比較偏向A,

我也是支持A

我想表達一下我的想法,順便試著練習思路,

文中有幾個重點:
第一個BF,是評論家提出來protest(抗議、反對)的內容及理由
接著作者表示他同意評論家說會發生的情形在目前這個時候是對的,
可是,他認為因為未來"可能"會有很多retailers要來這個城市發展,
而且會將隔壁城的消費者吸引過來,因為隔壁城收的稅更高,

結果(在作者的假設成真之下)

第二個BF,retail sales are bound to (必然)大量增加

針對第一個BF
選項A說,是一個objection 這個objection已經產生去對抗一個計畫,
我覺得並沒有錯,因為critics protest,這一個名詞及動詞是有反對的意
思,而且既然評論家已經提出他的論點,"has been raised"在時態上也沒
有錯誤。

選項D說,是一個claim,這個claim作者希望去refute,claim 有要求、主
張的意思,當要求來看似乎不符合文中敘述,因為這段話不是評論家的要
求,當主張看也不太對,因為評論家沒有提出他覺得應該用什麼方法比較好
。而用refute這個詞,感覺太過強烈,不太像作者的語調,因為作者畢竟
有同意一部份,只是他覺得評論家忽略了未來性。


針對第二個BF
選項A說,是一個prediction(預測),而且如果這個預測正確的話,可以
undermine(削弱,語氣沒有refute強)評論家反對的力量。
我認為作者說的話確實是預測沒錯,因為retailers增加的情形還沒發生,
這些都只是作者依情勢做的預測判斷而已。

選項D說,是一個main point(重點)用來指出評論家的claim是錯的,
首先,作者已經同意評論家所說的觀點了,他不同意的是未來的發展性,
所以不可能會要推翻,然後讓現在評論家的觀點變成是錯的,然
後,main point也是一個問題,因為第二個BF是接著in conquesence,
我們可以說這是作者對實施這個政策下的未來作的結論,而不是重點
,最後claim我在第一個BF那就有說明。

綜合以上,我認為A比較好 :laugh
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Re: 天山 4-19

帖子whoops » 2007-05-22 20:30

Aroca City currently funds its public schools through taxes on property. In place of this system, the city plans to introduce a sales tax of three percent on all retail sales in the city.
Critics protest that three percent of current retail sales falls short of the amount raised for schools by property taxes. The critics are correct on this point. Nevertheless, implementing the plan will probably not reduce the money going to Aroca’s schools.

Several large retailers have selected Aroca City as the site for huge new stores, and these are certain to draw large numbers of shoppers from neighboring municipalities, where sales are taxed at rates of six percent and more. In consequence, retail sales in Aroca City are bound to increase substantially.

In the argument given, the two potions in boldface play which of the following roles?

A. The first is an objection that has been raised against a certain plan; the second is a prediction that, if accurate, undermines the force of that objection.

D. The first is a claim that the argument seeks to refute; the second is the main point used by the argument to show that the claim is false.


提出個看法討論

Several large retailers have selected Aroca City as the site for huge new stores, and these are certain to draw large numbers of shoppers from neighboring municipalities, where sales are taxed at rates of six percent and more. In consequence, retail sales in Aroca City are bound to increase substantially.
紅色標明的部份用字和口氣,小弟認為作者所敘述的內容不應該是預測..
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帖子ggethan » 2007-08-31 13:21

Several large retailers have selected Aroca City as the site for huge new stores, and these are certain to draw large numbers of shoppers from neighboring municipalities, where sales are taxed at rates of six percent and more. In consequence, retail sales in Aroca City are bound to increase substantially.
我覺得以上的這些話,certain,bound to雖然都是確定的字眼
但是說這些話的人是作者(提出異議的人),所以未必是事實,at中雖然出現的訊息都是事實,但多半都是陳述一些已發生的事實,數據
這種對未來的事又用這麼強烈的口氣,實在很難不讓人認為是一種prediction
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帖子dibert8 » 2007-09-01 10:52

prediction 應該也是區別 (A) 和 (D) 一個頗關鍵的地方.
其實 BF1 在目前是'對'的,所以不能選 (D).
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帖子FIG » 2008-01-13 15:45

支持A

我自己的作法中,BF題的重點在於 答案怎麼去去說 BF 是什麼,以及BF的角色
其實我想法類似donahue922

第一個bf沒什麼大問題
第二個bf
In consequence, retail sales in Aroca City are bound to increase substantially

D. The first is a claim that the argument seeks to refute; the second is the main point used by the argument to show that the claim is false.

我實在不覺得第二個bf是main point
充其量它是main point的結果
(main point應該是反對的關鍵點=>會有很多大商場來)
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帖子mediayouth » 2008-05-23 19:33

答案是 A 沒錯~

江樸老師說:
The argument here does NOT refute the claim because the author says "The critics are correct on this point." Therefore the first simply describes the objection (against a plan). However, the author points out a possible future change that will weaken the force of the object (the objection is based on current situation) while the projection is based on increase of consumer spending.
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