GWD1-Q17

[ay0684]

這一題我在BE上考慮很久 I am in favor of E.
真懷疑考試是能這麼快速判斷嗎 !!!! 真緊張ㄝ

題目推論 the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years before it was adopted by Western musicians.
強調(diatonic musical scale ) 已被使用幾千年才被Western採用
你們仔細看
B. No musical instrument that is known to have used a diatomic scale is of an earlier date than the flute found at the Neanderthal campsite.
不論before或是after at the Neanderthal campsite：Western採用的七音程是由bone flute而來的。 因為不能排除以下的可能性：Neanderthal flute不見得能夠發展出七音程。
E.The cave-bear leg bone used to make the Neanderthal flute would have been long enough to make a flute capable of playing a complete diatonic scale.
當時的熊骨（play the third through sixth notes of the diatonic scale）夠長，能夠做出完整的一個音階（the seven-note musical scale）──雖然當時沒有 “would have been”
，但是the seven-note of the diatonic scale 原理就是從這個發展而來的（developed and used）。

多多指教

[ustoday]

當我看到這一題B選項 有一個直接的反應
既然是要找事實
no musical instrument that is known to have........
沒有一個音樂器具被知道有怎樣的功能 早於NC~~

不知道並不代表沒有 也有可能是還未發現 所以這選項不代表是事實
無法support

參考看看吧

[Tinamo]

我投E一票,
畢竟要確認three notes是屬於"diatonic musical scale(seven notes)" ,
需證明Neanderthal campsite發現的bear leg bone也能鑿出一樣的diatonic musical scale才是。

[Miranda's]

這題答案...是e吧.... :o

b其實是無關選項...
我們來看...結論是說音階在幾百年前就被發明了並一直沿用至今...
那麼b所說的這個Neanderthal campsite是最早的發現又有什麼關係呢?
因為就算有更早的...仍符合結論所述the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years

來看看e選項...
e說骨頭夠長可以吹出一個完整的音階...的確加強了結論...
因為題目中說發現的骨頭只可以吹3-6音...那剩下的一個音呢??
但是別忘了總共有7音
所以e加強了論述...

看完了這題的結論是----要對音樂有相當素養的人才可以答對這題 :P
難怪我之前做也錯.... (H)

請指教...

agree with the explaination, I think the E connect the gap between the sentence of the seven-note musical scale since the Renaissance. and that of Musicologists therefore hypothesize that the diatonic musical scale was developed and
used thousands years.....
Ps. 搞笑的是我一開始還將E的long 想成是 時間夠久足以做成全音階的flute...，所以一開始就把E給刪去，_ _||| 講出來大家笑一笑...

[FannyHsieh]

我雖然當初選B，不過現在看起來我要支持E
再細讀之後會發現B與E兩句針對的重點不一樣
B是強調：這個樂器是第一個diatomic scale
E是強調：a complete seven diatonic scale

再回去看題目後發現，Musical therefore hypothesize that the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years before it was adapted by Western musicians.

B與E對照起來，B比較像是E能support diatonic musical scale was developed and used的 assumption......o_O

[kikhorse]

可我今天問江樸老師 他題目才看了一下就很確定的說是(((E)))喔
不選B是因為: 雖然在之前沒有樂器是DIATMIC SCALE (七孔音階樂器), 但也不能support Neanderthal 的bone flute 就是七孔樂器, 因為題目上只說到它是4孔樂器阿 (the spacing of the FOUR HOLE on a FRAGMENT of a bone flute...)

我覺得滿有道理也滿通的
ps. 江樸老師這堤完全是以句意和邏輯來回答, 有時候覺得黃冠文老師用太多技巧
會不知道他在說啥 =p

[kliao302]

我想支持D,雖然答題時也選了B,
不過仔細看看後，即使B選項說，沒有任何已知使用全音階的樂器出現在Neanderthal flute之前，但並不表示Neanderthal flute就一定是第一個出現而且比western music早，因為選項中並無提到Neanderthal flute與Western music 的關係，所以不能斷認Neanderthal flute在Western music之前
小小意見請指教

[pimi]

請問C選項中的cave-bear bone怎麼翻譯阿??
是洞穴裡的熊的骨頭嗎??

[dibert8]

是穴居熊的骨頭應該沒錯的.

[kotokolin]

這題答案是E
因為老是覺得很擔心答案是不是E，我從wikipedia找到了
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divje_Babe

我貼了部分文章上來....
有個音樂學家(Bob Fink)主張這骨頭是diatonic scale, 引起了其他學者的反駁.... 下面是部分文章內容, 但討論的重點都是骨頭夠不夠長....我想答案非常明顯~ 就是E

Bob Fink claimed in his essay the year before, that the bone's holes were "consistent with four notes of the diatonic scale" (do, re, mi, fa) based on the spacing of those four holes. The spacing of the holes on a modern diatonic flute (minor scale) are unique, and not evenly spaced. In essence, Fink said, they are like a simple fingerprint. The Divje Babe bone's holes matched those spacings very closely to a series of note-holes in a minor scale.

Nowell and Chase wrote in Studies In Music Archaeology III (presentations at a 2000 world conference on music archaeology), and saying in the media as well, that the juvenile bear bone was too short to play those four holes in-tune to any diatonic series of tones and half-tones.

In addition, three separate museum curators (Prague National Museum; Treasures of the Earth; Birmingham Zoo), experienced with cave bears bones, were quoted from 1997 in "Studies in Music Archaeology III" (cited below) that an unbroken juvenile cave bear femur, in any event, could have been long enough to meet the "in-tune" playing length requirements proposed by Chase and Nowell. The length was confirmed again in July 1997 (published in the Museum-L archives of July 10, 1997) by Patrick Boylan who checked the usual lengths of yearling cub femurs in the large collections of cave bear bones at the Prague museum.

[Frankts]

樓上這位同學 您真是太厲害也太用功了
佩服

[lindababy]

GWD1-Q17
The spacing of the four holes on a fragment of a bone flute excavated at a Neanderthal campsite is just what is required to play the third through sixth notes of the diatonic scale—the seven-note musical scale used in much of Western music since the Renaissance. Musicologists therefore hypothesize that the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years before it was adopted by Western musicians.

Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the hypothesis?

A. Bone flutes were probably the only musical instrument made by Neanderthals.
B.No musical instrument that is known to have used a diatomic scale is of an earlier date than the flute found at the Neanderthal campsite.→題目沒說這是最早的起源，所以不用證明其是最早的。
C.The flute was made from a cave-bear bone and the campsite at which the flute fragment was excavated was in a cave that also contained skeletal remains of cave bears.
D.Flutes are the simplest wind instrument that can be constructed to allow playing a diatonic scale.
E.The cave-bear leg bone used to make the Neanderthal flute would have been long enough to make a flute capable of playing a complete diatonic scale.→ was developed and used 原題已經給了使用的線索，關於DEVELOP當然就要骨頭夠長才能繼續發展，否則大概就不會有完整的SCALE。

以上是我的思路，提供給大家參考

[bmwmthree]

GWD1-Q17
The spacing of the four holes on a fragment of a bone flute excavated at a Neanderthal campsite is just what is required to play the third through sixth notes of the diatonic scale—the seven-note musical scale used in much of Western music since the Renaissance. Musicologists therefore hypothesize that the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years before it was adopted by Western musicians.

Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the hypothesis?

A. Bone flutes were probably the only musical instrument made by Neanderthals.
B.No musical instrument that is known to have used a diatomic scale is of an earlier date than the flute found at the Neanderthal campsite.→題目沒說這是最早的起源，所以不用證明其是最早的。
C.The flute was made from a cave-bear bone and the campsite at which the flute fragment was excavated was in a cave that also contained skeletal remains of cave bears.
D.Flutes are the simplest wind instrument that can be constructed to allow playing a diatonic scale.
E.The cave-bear leg bone used to make the Neanderthal flute would have been long enough to make a flute capable of playing a complete diatonic scale.→ was developed and used 原題已經給了使用的線索，關於DEVELOP當然就要骨頭夠長才能繼續發展，否則大概就不會有完整的SCALE。

以上是我的思路，提供給大家參考

認同你對(B)的看法, 因為No musical.....表示已無更早的了...

[bmwmthree]

GWD1-Q17
The spacing of the four holes on a fragment of a bone flute excavated at a Neanderthal campsite is just what is required to play the third through sixth notes of the diatonic scale—the seven-note musical scale used in much of Western music since the Renaissance. Musicologists therefore hypothesize that the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years before it was adopted by Western musicians.

Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the hypothesis?

A. Bone flutes were probably the only musical instrument made by Neanderthals.
B.No musical instrument that is known to have used a diatomic scale is of an earlier date than the flute found at the Neanderthal campsite.→題目沒說這是最早的起源，所以不用證明其是最早的。
C.The flute was made from a cave-bear bone and the campsite at which the flute fragment was excavated was in a cave that also contained skeletal remains of cave bears.
D.Flutes are the simplest wind instrument that can be constructed to allow playing a diatonic scale.
E.The cave-bear leg bone used to make the Neanderthal flute would have been long enough to make a flute capable of playing a complete diatonic scale.→ was developed and used 原題已經給了使用的線索，關於DEVELOP當然就要骨頭夠長才能繼續發展，否則大概就不會有完整的SCALE。

以上是我的思路，提供給大家參考

認同你對(B)的看法, 因為No musical.....表示已無更早的了...

[yuyutseng]

GWD1-Q17
The spacing of the four holes on a fragment of a bone flute excavated at a Neanderthal campsite is just what is required to play the third through sixth notes of the diatonic scale—the seven-note musical scale used in much of Western music since the Renaissance. Musicologists therefore hypothesize that the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years before it was adopted by Western musicians.

Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the hypothesis?

A. Bone flutes were probably the only musical instrument made by Neanderthals.
B.No musical instrument that is known to have used a diatomic scale is of an earlier date than the flute found at the Neanderthal campsite.→題目沒說這是最早的起源，所以不用證明其是最早的。
C.The flute was made from a cave-bear bone and the campsite at which the flute fragment was excavated was in a cave that also contained skeletal remains of cave bears.
D.Flutes are the simplest wind instrument that can be constructed to allow playing a diatonic scale.
E.The cave-bear leg bone used to make the Neanderthal flute would have been long enough to make a flute capable of playing a complete diatonic scale.→ was developed and used 原題已經給了使用的線索，關於DEVELOP當然就要骨頭夠長才能繼續發展，否則大概就不會有完整的SCALE。

以上是我的思路，提供給大家參考

認同你對(B)的看法, 因為No musical.....表示已無更早的了...

這一題新版的OG 12 裡面有 ( OG12-122 )
答案是E , 不過OG 對於每個選項有些看法還滿值得參考的,敘述如下:
解題思路是要此敘述句的強度, "the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years before it was adopted by Western musicians." , 翻成中文就是 "這種孔間距的排列在被西方音樂家採用之前數前年前就已經出現且使用了",
所以, 考慮的方向是如果選項不正確的話, 會weaken 假設, 重點是要Support則是 "在之前就使用",
(A) 選項本身是Weaken, 因為它消除了其它樂器可以用來支持假設的可能性
(B) 選項本身Weaken, 因為它消除了其它可能用來Support假設的證據
(C) 無關
(D) 不論對不對都無關
(E) 正確選項

(A)(B) 兩個選項我本來都視為無關, 但是沒想到居然是Weaken,
看來還沒有成精, 需要繼續努力....