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帖子william » 2005-04-08 02:11

Just to share with you......
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnf ... _db016.htm

Any comment? A plus side I can see is.. it is easier than ever to get into a Top US MBA program now ;)) ...... The down size is of coz it seems more and more companies might be cutting back their hiring on MBAs... :^)
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帖子micht » 2005-04-08 05:39

thanks william~~~
can I paste the whole article here
just incase the link will be dead later



April 7th, 2005

NEWS ANALYSIS
By Jennifer Merritt


MBA Applicants Are MIA
As tuition soars and the job market strengthens, some B-schools are downsizing -- and all are getting less selective

When the deans of seven of the top U.S. business schools got together for their biannual meeting on a chilly, gray day earlier this year, the usual topics of conversation -- MBA recruiting, new courses, and leadership training -- quickly gave way to a gloomier subject. According to people privy to the secretive meetings, the men, gathered at an Ivy League campus, solemnly broached a sensitive topic: Applications for the class entering in the fall would be down -- just as they were last fall. Rumors were whispered that some schools in the top tier might not fill their classes. One dean was even called out for deciding not to report applicant and selectivity numbers.

Indeed, applications to BusinessWeek's Top 30 MBA programs have dropped almost 30% overall since 1998, with some schools seeing declines of 50% or more. And with the job market improving, more prospective applicants may find themselves with opportunities that will, if history is any indicator, pull them away from B-school.

What's more, to cope with sliding interest, some schools have gone so far as to quietly reduce the number of students they enroll each year, BusinessWeek has learned. Carnegie Mellon University's Tepper School of Business has cut its class size from 240 students to a target of 160. Vanderbilt University's Owen School of Management dropped from 220 to 180 students per class. Other schools have done the same.

OVERSEAS PRESSURE. "We're seeing more of our peer schools competing with us for the same students," says James Bradford, dean at Vanderbilt. "Schools are setting new expectations based on what the market is." Even as they're downsizing their expectations, some schools that were historically highly selective, admitting fewer than 20% to 25% of applicants, gave a thumbs-up to 35% or more applicants for the class entering last fall. Vanderbilt, for one, admitted some 68% of its applicants in 2004 -- up 30 points in just four years.These troubles come at a time when MBA programs find themselves facing one hurdle after another. Blame for not being a stronger bulwark against corporate scandal and poor business ethics is still being hurled at the schools. Tuition is skyrocketing -- as high as $39,100 a year at Harvard Business School, where applications were down 16% in 2004 over 2003.

And post-MBA salaries have stagnated, stuck at an average of around $84,000, giving many wannabe MBAs pause. Plus, competition from European schools for bright Americans has U.S. schools on edge. Foreign students, once a dependable presence, have trouble obtaining visas to attend U.S. B-schools post-September 11.

TUITION SHOCK. Add to that a shift in hiring, with employers recruiting more undergrads and industry types, and B-schools find themselves beset by worries. No wonder one dean at the B-school powwow questioned aloud whether all of the Top 30 MBA programs would make it through this protracted slump, sources say. Admitted another dean, according to reports: "This is a serious problem."

Perhaps the toughest issue is soaring tuition. At top-tier schools, tuition is up nearly 55% over the past six years, to an average of $33,774 for each of the two school years. And students bear far more than the cost of the degree. With an average of five years' work experience, the typical 27-year-old student gives up an average pre-MBA salary of about $67,000.

MBAs also fork over cash for everyday expenses such as housing, food, and utilities -- costs that are also on the rise. Schools such as Columbia Business School in New York City and Stanford Graduate School of Business in Palo Alto, Calif., recommend that single students budget more than $64,000 a year.

"IT DOESN'T COMPUTE." Increasingly, that's looking prohibitive. Students "are bumping into their loan maximums," says Edward Snyder, dean of University of Chicago's Graduate School of Business, which has raised its tuition 6% to 8% each year for the past five years and has seen applications go down for two straight years. "If the [loan] does not cover all of the costs, some people literally cannot put a package together to come." At most schools -- Chicago included -- scholarships and other financial help haven't kept pace with tuition hikes.

Having piled up all that debt, MBAs want to count on a healthy premium in their post-degree salaries. But these days there's no guarantee. Salaries have barely budged in the past six years. After shooting up from $77,800 in 1998 to about $84,250 in 2000, they have been fairly flat, with average base pay for 2004 grads ringing in at $84,030.

"It's one thing if you're getting a big signing bonus and salary [in banking], but there are people who imagine B-school is a good thing to do, then they do the math, and it doesn't compute," says Robert J. Dolan, dean of University of Michigan's Ross School of Business. "We have to be very concerned."

BYPASSING B-SCHOOLS. In BusinessWeek's survey, MBAs in the Class of 2004 at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School said they had amassed nearly as much in loans as they were getting in base salary -- more than $73,000 in average debt vs. around $95,000 in salary. Reported a 2004 grad of New York University's Stern School of Business: "Those considering an MBA should be sure the job waiting at the other end is worth the sacrifice."

Meanwhile, European schools have managed to capture some of the fall-off. Many report growing interest among U.S. applicants over the past several years. Beyond offering a diverse student body and better exposure to global business practices, European MBA programs are shorter -- about 14 to 16 months -- and tuition rates, despite the weak dollar, promise significant savings. The total cost for the whole experience tops out at around $58,000 -- less than the cost of one year at many U.S. schools.

Another more subtle but no less potent trend is undermining the MBA: employers' hiring and promotion practices. No longer is it de rigueur for young corporate up-and-comers to apply to B-school after four years on the job. Now managers are promoting some superstars without the degree. "A lot of recruiters ask me if their best people need to go back to business school," says R. Glenn Hubbard, dean of Columbia Business School. "I argue that they should...but there will always be people who will be successful without it."

HIRING CHANGES. Goldman Sachs Group (GS ) finds those people increasingly to be the norm rather than the exception. The investment bank is one of several companies to launch internal studies on whether MBA hires do better than undergrads who get internal training and promotions without the MBA. The kind of training Goldman and others provide is part of the growing array of management education alternatives chipping away at the traditional MBA, from hybrid, on-and-off campus degrees to online and other executive courses.

Over the past five years or so, many nameplate companies that had previously heavily recruited MBAs have altered their hiring mix. Large consulting firms such as McKinsey & Co. are ratcheting down the percentage of new MBA hires and adding more undergrads and industry professionals. Goldman went from hiring about 25% undergrads and 75% MBAs for each year's group of hires to exactly the opposite since 2000.

"Now we try to figure out how many analysts we can promote, and we fill in with MBAs," says Aaron Marcus, Goldman's head of campus recruiting. Concedes Chicago's Snyder: "This [shift] is fundamental, not cyclical -- hiring non-MBAs is something companies have become more comfortable with."

DEALING WITH PERCEPTIONS. The full-time MBA isn't going to disappear anytime soon, of course. But the need for change is increasingly clear, and reform efforts need to go beyond the cosmetic. Schools might consider adding more depth to their offerings, even at the expense of some breadth. Alumni fund-raising for scholarships could be stepped up to help meet rising costs.

Schools also need to find ways to break through recruiters' growing feeling that even top-tier MBAs are becoming a commodity. Figuring out how to combat the forces at work against them may be B-schools' most pressing assignment
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帖子Eileenwang » 2005-04-08 08:56

Thank you for sharing.

IMHO, I believe that MBA Programs face some recruiting problems because of the soaring tuition, not only for top-tier schools but for other tiers schools. Since the placement after graduating becomes so unsure, people who want to pursue an MBA will think alternative ways to build up their network or to improve their professionalism. For example, more and more people attend certificate programs or study groups for CPA, CFA, or CPM to refresh their knowledge. These programs and groups are more flexible and , of course, cheaper for working people.

When I interviewed with UW and UC-Davis admission officers, they asked the same question about what will I do if I can not attend an MBA. My answer is that I will keep attending seminars or some certificate programs to strengthen my professionalism and real-world experience which is the weakest part for me thus far. MBA is a step, not the end. Even after an MBA I will have to continue an life-long learning.

I am not sure whether an MBA is worth USD80,000-120,00 but I am still excited about the chance to study in such a challenging environment. What most important is not an MBA but YOU.
MBA? 打從下定決心申請的那一刻起就已經踏上MBA的不歸路了。
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帖子william » 2005-04-08 10:16

Micht... Thanks for your help ;HH ;yes;

Wellsaid, Eileen, it is about what we wanna do with our life afterall ;)) I do think we shouldn't let the appearantly dimmer short term ROI hinders us from pursuing our MBA :smile
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帖子william » 2005-04-08 11:07

If you really want to take another wake up call... take a look at: :PP

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... vyrequired
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帖子Zigen5 » 2005-04-08 14:03

感謝威廉兄的分享!! 我想也許可以對一些迷思有些許啟發... ;HH
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