In @ Purdue MBA 希望聽聽學長姐的意見 (PLEASE HELP...)

[maryfriend]

大約二月下旬的時候收到了學校的錄取通知
感覺真的好像在作夢
因為普渡是我申請名單中最好的一間 (也是拿獎機會最小滴T_T)

不過還是遇到了一些困難...
說來還真不應該這樣申請學校...(上了還需要猶豫...不應該><)
決定要出國追夢
總是希望碰碰Dream School運氣
沒想到竟然讓我給錄取了
以後打算走Operations或是SCM這部分剛好又是普渡的強項
更讓我放不了手

看了學校的預估念完花費大約是台幣三百萬
問題是我只有兩百萬的留學額度可花(不想再貸更多了...)
但是基本成行的可能性還是在的~

普渡向來被稱道其financial aid offerings(要打工那種)
所以我有上網找了一些資訊再加上學校網頁的info.
總結出成行的必要條件 = 暑假要有intern + 二年級一定要做GA (兩項缺一不可)
有了必要條件風險還是在的......畢竟能不能真的都辦到呢?
想聽聽普渡學長姐的意見~再來看看能否做出...踏實...一點的決定 (畢竟是項投資...)
這邊先大大感謝願意熱心解答的傷咖之友唷 ^_^ (青澀的問題也希望大家多包涵哩)

1. (拍謝中...)就是呀...那個...普渡台灣的學長姐，除了之後本來就要回台灣發展的同學，是不是都能有暑假的企業實習機會呢?......平均實習薪資大約會多少?

2. 關於學校的打工機會，除了一年級有被學校授予Awards的同學，似乎只開放二年級學生才能開始申請校內打工，二年級的校內打工性質就是以有需要的同學自行申請為主，之前有看到國際學生分享大約一般會有三分之一的MBA學生會校內打工，想請問校內提出申請打工真正上的機會大嗎?......二年級校內打工不知是否會造常課業上頗大的負擔? (普渡操有名=.=)

3. 這個問題跟我的預算困難就關係比較小了，純粹希望有機會了解，不知道台灣的學長姐往Operations或是SCM發展的，畢業後是否有在美國就業的呢?

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最後...簡單附上申請背景供參考囉~
Education Background: FJU International trade and Finance GPA 3.5
GMAT: 700 TOEFL IBT: 99 (><)
W/E: 一年柯達Sales + 一年本土金控 + 兩年半科技公司 (Post-baccalaureate+Pre-bac)
興趣的兼職: 經營小網拍...大概也四年了唄 (心血來潮會從國外買貨回來拍賣)

感謝身邊許多一起同行的申請人跟好朋友所給的鼓勵以及和大家一起往同一個目標加油的衝勁，出國真的不是件簡單的任務，申請到學校後又是另外一個要努力的開始......不論現在正在看文章的你處在什麼階段，都希望傷咖這個大家庭能給你帶來好運，一起加油！

[mauricew]

謝謝 牛人maryfriend的分享

[colleen1007]

哈囉~我也是自己要貸款出國念書的~我個人覺得貸款這麼多去留學好像為自己畢業後的將來設下了重重難關

目前我上FSU-FULLERTRON我能支出的約是兩年學費加生活費等零零總總約一百五十萬的額度 所以我全部都申請排名較為後面 學費便宜 以及本身很有機會拿到獎學金或Fellowship的學校

而就我所知以及身邊念MBA朋友的經驗, 畢業之後要在美國找到工作似乎不是那麼容易(除非是Top 10) 絕大部分都是回台灣工作, 即使在美國找到工作, 也通常不是local pay, 而是壓榨人力的台勞價錢,就像我有高中同學現在在fullerton的華人公司上班,要不是為了綠卡,他說他早就回台灣工作了

因此如果畢業之後就是負債幾百萬, 似乎在人生的起跑點上就已經落後了

與其如此, 我自己的選擇是申請學費在我能夠負擔範圍之內的學校

畢業之後呢, 累積足夠的工作經驗要比名校畢業來的重要

畢竟哪所學校的文憑只能在工作面試的時候持續半小時到一小時的影響力

之後的升遷都是要靠自己的工作經驗累積

所以與其拿畢業後的幾年來還留學的負債, 不如找個也不錯又經濟的學校認真學習

把所有時間都專注在學業上, 而不是讓TA或是其他打工分散了你專注在課業上的成績

排名四十MBA畢業的學生拿著Straight A的成績單去面試 相信會比Top 20的MBAs拿著B or B+的成績單在面試時更有優勢吧

以上是我個人的意見, 僅供參考, 畢竟不管別人怎麼說,決定權在你,我也想過,要是我今天上了名校,但是貸款要增加,我也不知道該怎麼辦...
總之,加油囉,這不會是唯一的ADMISSION啦~祝你還有數不盡的ADMISSION喔~大家加油吧^^~~Colleen~YA

[MarkHsu]

>>排名四十MBA畢業的學生拿著Straight A的成績單去面試 相信會比Top 20的MBAs拿著B or B+的成績單在面試時更有優勢吧

Obviously, from this statement alone, it shows that this person knows nothing about an MBA....

[robbiechen]

>>排名四十MBA畢業的學生拿著Straight A的成績單去面試 相信會比Top 20的MBAs拿著B or B+的成績單在面試時更有優勢吧

Obviously, from this statement alone, it shows that this person knows nothing about an MBA....

Harsh comments , but true.

[ebyayaya]

The reality is that main recruiters only visit certain schools and they don't really care about your grades. They care more about your CV, cover letter and how you perform in the interviews. That is the reason why people try their besy to squeeze into the top schools coz those "expensive programs" help you access to your dream job opportunities. Without that, you have very little chance to be included in the recruiting pool.

However, you have to ask yourself what is your objective of getting an MBA degree. If you are looking for life experience, you can go for whatever school you like. If career transfer or enhancement is your goal, you would like to find out which school could bring the key recruiters on the campus, provide you the standard application process, and even provide you alumni contacts to get more understanding of the company and the position.

Remember you are the only one who can answer for yourself. Good luck.

[Opeman]

很有意思的討論串，也感謝colleen1007熱心的分享。

我個人蠻認同你前面所說的一些事實與觀點，包括非名校找美國工作困難，硬留在美國都拿極低的薪水等等。這些都點出了許多美國畢業生想留在美國工作，但又不得不面對的殘酷事實。尤其你所說的投資報酬率問題，這一點是蠻多要念MBA的同學都沒仔細想過的。

不過，後面倒是有一些看法值得爭議。諸如妳所說的Top 20 vs Top 40 的問題。 其實如果你再多瀏覽一些以前的文章，就會發現有些公司就是鎖定名校的學生，非名校連面試都很難拿到。Sad but true. 但這就是講求功利主義至上的MBA哲學 其現實的一面。

[gotian]

我也覺得Top40 v.s Top20那個理論似乎比較適用台灣高中生的大學推甄。話說回來，誰來幫幫忙回答樓主原本的話題啊:P

[MarkHsu]

I am not too familiar with Purdue students per se, but here is what I know.

1. Summer internship.
Paid summer internship for international students at a 2nd tier school (outside of top 20) can be difficult. If you are one of the fortunate ones, you are likely to find a job at a small to mid size company (by US standards), which can mean a family business to a company with a market cap of US$10-20 billion market cap. I'd say summer internship pay is likely to be between $5,000/month or US$60k per annum pro-rated + housing.

3. Operations/Supply Chain Management
First, a disclaimer: I have a California (left-coast) bias of the U.S. But basically manufacturing is a declining industry in the U.S. I believe manufacturing is now less than 20% (? need to check facts) of US GDP. I think the emergence of Hon-Hai, which basically has decimated US electronics manufacturers over the past 2 decades, and the fact that the Japanese are just killing U.S. automakers are clear examples that manufacturing is not U.S. strong suits.

A common counter example is Wal Mart and its operational efficency, but my counter example is how well has Wal Mart done outside of the U.S.? My point is not that Wal Mart isn't great at what it does, but business models need to have a cultural context.

So this is my long-winded response to the original question.

Basically opportunities are 1) few for internationals because if you refer to operations/SCM in the context of manufacturing, the industry is declining in the U.S. 2) if you want to work for companies like Wal Mart I am not so sure these companies have a particular need to hire internationals and also not sure how that experience translates to Asia if you want to return

[butterfinger]

3. Operations/Supply Chain Management
First, a disclaimer: I have a California (left-coast) bias of the U.S. But basically manufacturing is a declining industry in the U.S. I believe manufacturing is now less than 20% (? need to check facts) of US GDP. I think the emergence of Hon-Hai, which basically has decimated US electronics manufacturers over the past 2 decades, and the fact that the Japanese are just killing U.S. automakers are clear examples that manufacturing is not U.S. strong suits.

I would like to add to Mark's comments per my observation: It is true that there have been more and more outsourced manufacturing in US companies; however, the same globalization and Lean concept has also significantly emphasized the importance of the other two legs of SCM for US companies, which are Procurement and Logistics. Such a move has created better career opportunities/environment in recent years for students from top SCM schools, sometimes even for international students especially. (For example, this year in Broad MBA, all offers from MSFT in SCM function are given to international students for its needs in managing overseas purchasing activities) So, if candidates are looking for career development in US in procurement or logistics, the outlook is still positive, compared to that for operation.

[wanda]

我是今年普渡的學姊

以你的成績來看 學校要給講是很困難的
加上一年級課業真的很操 要兼顧TA或GA也不太可能
由於我不是走OPERATION 無法給你太多意見
陸續會有學長姐為你解答
歡迎你加入普渡

[calflu]

Hi maryfriend,


我是二年級的畢業生

我覺得有沒有找到internship和很多因素有關

如果就背景來評論的話，似乎有點武斷

我想連學校的career service也不一定能就個人的背景給你一個確切的答案

但是如果你有極大的financial concern的話，也可以暑假修課&提早畢業

另外我有不少同學的GA是自己找的

所以我想你如果真的很積極要找，也不是全無可能

回應wanda所提，我想通常第一年環境和語言上的適應是比較大的問題

如果你適應的很好，要找GA 應付功課 找實習 都有比較高的可能性

歡迎加入Purdue

[sweetymanman]

HI 我是ㄧ年級MBA的學生 Gloria
如同 calflu說的，沒有找到Internship真的有很多原因
大環境和學校的career service雖然占有很重要的因素，但是自己真的well prepared了嗎?
在這裡，MBA 不表示黃袍加身，公司就會另眼看待，我們還是要找出自己的價值

GA的部分，機會當然有，重點是你要不要
resource就是這麼多
與其說適應狀況如何，不如說面對 找工作的壓力 vs 念書的壓力 vs 玩樂的誘惑力 vs financial concern
你的比重和權重怎麼放，我想這是要先想清楚的

[kaori110]

錢的確是各問題
不過比起其他學校
Purdue 算是便宜的了
MBA 的 畢業學分是 60 ( 一年分上下學期, 一學期 分兩個 module )
不暑修的話 每個 module 都修滿的話
可以在二年級的 module 3 畢業 省下第四 module 的 錢 (目前約 八千多美金 )

暑修的話 winter 就可以畢業了 雖然也是省下一個 module 的錢
不過可以提早進入職場

想請問一下
學校有給你獎嗎

[maryfriend]

謝謝大家給的意見
還有普渡學長姐的經驗傳承
這麼多中肯的分享
真的很有幫助 (超感動滴~)

感謝kaori110的省錢撇步
我沒有拿到學校的獎...(泣)
不過我有注意到追夢網上有幾個拿Purdue獎學金的背景...GMAT 730+

下面資訊轉貼自印度的留學論壇
是錄取的同學寫信給學校詢問financial aid相關資訊的學校回覆
給需要的同學參考囉~

Thank you for your email. Most of the graduate assistantships, which may be sufficient to support oneself in the program, are found once a student has enrolled and are most commonly found for the second year of study.

The Residence Assistant program is another source of funding. This program is described in our literature, as well as on our web page under Financial Aid.

A number of Krannert students are able to find graduate assistantships, most commonly after enrollment, in other Purdue University departments. The availability of these assistantships is based on individual skills and departmental needs. If you are interested in pursuing an assistantship outside of Krannert, you will need to initiate a self-directed search by contacting the respective department(s) for any assistantship availability and application procedures. The following website: https://sharepoint.krannert.purdue.edu/ ... fault.aspx is updated with campus assistantships postings that are made available to us. You may wish to browse this periodically; keep in mind, this is not an all inclusive positing by the University. You may also wish to browse the Purdue Graduate School website at: http://www.purdue.edu/GradSchool/main.html as well as the Purdue employment page at: www.purdue.edu/Purdue/Employment

Unfortunately, there are very, very few financial aid opportunities for international students available at Purdue. There are various organizations that do offer scholarships, etc. to international students. My suggestion would be to check online or at a library for the various opportunities. Two organizations that quickly come to mind are: The Rotary Foundation; http://www.rotary.org/foundation/ and the Institute of International Education; IIE Online: Institute of International Education http://www.iie.org/

It would be better if you could find a US cosigner, however, the following is a website that may help in the loan search FinAid | Loans | Private Student Loans http://www.finaid.org/loans/privatestudentloans.phtml There is a loan for International students who do not have a cosigner. It is called the 'Opportunity' loan. However, there is a high interest rate (prime plus around 6%), high repayment fees, and academic requirements. Stocks, bonds, and mutual funds should be included in the investment category.