MBA 選校問題

[eeseraph[origen]]

諸位先進,

目前小弟申請的MBA結果都已經出來了,兩勝兩敗一和(WL)
這兩勝讓小弟陷入了難以抉擇的窘境

先介紹一下小弟的資歷資歷好了,
國立大學電機系畢業後因為不用當兵,
在IC設計公司累積了大約三年半當工程師(FAE)的經驗
小弟不是研發部門,工作的內容主要是幫客戶解決設計上問題,
所以也常常要跑客戶端,歸在行銷及業務部門
(PS.IC設計公司行銷及業務部門包含 1.技術支援 2.業務 3.行銷工程師)

在還沒知道第二勝之前,第一勝是一個USNEWS大約50多名的學校
那個時候覺得大概剩下的都沒希望了,所以也想好了之後的發展
1.暑假找有關半導體方面的Intern(包含台灣)
2.畢了業回台灣快樂的就業,作業務工程師或行銷工程師

我想這方向大致上沒啥問題,如果我想要轉換到其他領域的IC設計公司或許有點小難度(ex.手機相關=>電腦相關),不過在怎麼差小弟在本來自己的領域也認識很多人,找個年薪100來萬的工作應該不成問題

想不到就在不久前另一個USNEWS上約20多名的學校也通知小弟錄取了,
先不論一般人說的USNEWS idiot ranking,確實兩間學校在curriculum及對學生未來的積極度有很大的不同,這間學校在寄來的文件中已經開始Push學生要開始對自己畢業後的出路作規劃,跟第一間學校比起來差別不小,問題出在這是一間中西部的學校,我自己看畢業生的發展大部分也是在中西部上班,(可以看的出來是一間Regional的學校),假設這兩間學校的學費差不了多少也就算了,偏偏算起來,會差將近台幣80萬以上,這間應該會破300,第一間應該250以內就解決了

小弟目前看起來,要在這間中西部的學校找到小弟喜歡的工作機會應該不大(IC設計相關行業),假設回台灣的話,這兩間在小弟的產業大概也差別不大(聽說金融業有50門檻,但是就我的觀察,IC設計感覺不出來,除非是Harvard之類的..),所以真的頭很大不曉得自己的未來該往哪邊走,我相信這是一個很關鍵的選擇,有沒有前輩能給小弟指點迷津的,或是點破小弟看哪邊有想法的錯誤.

先謝!

回應板主: Minnesota vs Colorado

再補充一點,或許有人或覺得很奇怪,如果要走IC為什麼不去加州,當初Minnesota很吸引我的一點就是,它的exchange program有到慶應大學三個月(One semester),小弟的日文大概有二級的水準,希望藉這個機會更加磨練自己的日文.

[Opeman]

我想版上很多先進會樂意分享他們的意見。

但是不知樓主是否可以把學校名稱寫出來？ 畢竟這對於大家提供意見有極關鍵的影響。 謝謝

[Opeman]

個人建議是選Minnesota 幾個理由：

1. 就MBA來說，Minnesota算是來蠻有名氣的。通常排名前面的學校，不只校友多，師資好，學校的就業資源也相對豐富。你提到畢業生的出路似乎是以中西部為主，這主要的原因在於該校在中西知名度非常強，成為許多當地大公司的目標，諸如3M等等。

2. 整體排名來說，Minnesota的名聲在台灣也響亮。至少以化工來說，他還是該領域的No.1. 相對的台灣校友也多。因此，如果妳想回台灣發展，雖然是鎖定IT產業，頂著該校的名氣找工作也會比另一家要容易。


兩者學費雖然差了幾十萬，但是這是一輩子的投資，給樓主參考。

[Wutang]

I do know a MBA student who went to keio as an exchange student a few years ago (I graduated from Minnesota btw). Let me know if you need any info.

James

[modern]

stronglly recommend you go for Carlson

Remember, resource= brand+CMC+alumni+location+ the rest

Carlson can give you a lot ...

[Kawaiipin]

Strongly agree Opeman " 兩者學費雖然差了幾十萬，但是這是一輩子的投資 "- choose Carlson.
As for磨練日文. I believe that 慶應大學三個月(One semester), even the class will be taught in English ,but since you are already passed level 2,
you should get something from this this exchange program.

[davidlee0222]

absolutely Carlson
there're something $ can't buy
and something you can never earn it back

In the States, IT is one of common industries that doesn't require spcific core school list like IB or MC
but it does select dedicated and well-trained graduates from higher tier schools like Carlson

IT career is about marketing and general management
both fields Carlson's curriculum is more than twice completed and dedicated than Colorado
Colorado's marketing is frankly quite weak that only have 5 courses to choose
most of the critical parts like Consumer Behavior, Market Research, CRM, Pricing, Channel Management, Brand Management are missing.
Instead, Carlson offers all these and really completed and sophisticated

In terms of management, Carlson is very strong in general management that the curriculum is well-balanced like a small Wharton
but you can see Colorado only has entry-level fundamentals, not much committed.

You learn what you pay for.

US$90k is a pretty average spending for a competitive MBA program in the U.S.
the US$20k difference is a very small amount that you can probably earn it back in half year after graduation
and you have much better chance to earn it back after a top 20 school
it'll be much harder if you're from a #50 school

the ranking is from 3 major criteria
student satisfaction, academic excellence, and post MBA outcomes
there are good reasons for the ranks they deserved
the average salary in Carlson is US$10k higher than Colorado in almost every function
while Colorado is a pretty local school that 90% work in the same region
Carlson is gerenally nationally competitive with a very decent reputation and solid training

it's not about exchange program in anywhere else
you can't learn any language in 3 months
since most of us cannot master English after decedes of study
it's about the intensity and excellency of the program
and that's the bargaining power to gain an alignment with top school like Keio University

[Jason Lee]

It is nothing wrong asking people to provide opinions about different schools. However, I believe responders should focus their suggestions to positive sides instead of negative sides. This article is very similar to the one that was widely browsed. (Michigan vs UCLA). So we are doing Minnesota vs Colorado now? People should try to understand how your suggestions would make alumni or current students of that school feel. Let’s compare Thunderbird to Harvard, and people gave a long list stating many negative things about Thunderbird’s MBA. How do you like that?

[davidlee0222]

it's unprofessional to make it personal
but thank you for comparing TB with Harvard and absolutely honored as an alumnus T-bird
only if I can get enrolled in HBS
then TB is nothing of course
while the same situation
if you get admitted in both TB and HBS
will you be out of your mind to come here?
guess what? there're quite a few nuts here who turned down HBS, Wharton, Stanford, and Oxford every year
since these schools serve for different purposes

I agree with you on the Ross and Anderson one
they're neck to neck competition and it depends on personal taste also career pathing

but for this one
I believe we need to understand the origin purpose of MBA
they simply serve for the same purpose, general management and marketing
but one with full-loaded course selection whereas another with frankly quite limited
the budget limit alone is not enough as an excuse
of course car and scooter have different purposes
but you won't ride scooter from Taipei to Kaohsiung for business
there're some limitations
you'll either fly or at least drive
you can also buy a EEE PC for less than NT$10k
but you won'y do scalable business with that, either

I understand people with extreme budget constraint may have limited choices
but once you can afford both schools and you choose the much resourceless one due to US$20k
which you can even earn it back in only 2 more years in Taiwan
and you can earn the total tuition back in the U.S. in less than 3 yr if you're really serious about your global career and serious about competing in U.S. job market
then I might serious doubt about your judgement capability
and the very basics of investment

if recruiters or VCs see you had the opportunity to choose Carlson and you can afford it
but you went to Colorado
they will also challenge if you're really serious about your business
since you put your own career in jeopardy
how committed can you be in business?

[eeseraph[origen]]

謝謝各位先進的指導

小弟最後決定去Carlson了

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[PeterPHLin]

Hi, eeseraph,
如果您MBA畢業後還是想回到台灣半導體業做 sales/marketing, 其實不建議您去美國唸MBA.
就我所知, 台系 fabless 的主管或員工, 大多不認同 MBA 的價值.
此外, 半導體外商的在台分公司, 也很少見到 BSEE + MBA (還是有這樣的人, 但比例上很低).
大多數的 sales 或 marketing, 主要背景還是 BSEE or MSEE.

除非您之後打算鎖定 Intel, AMD, nVidia...etc. 之類和消費者較為相關的半導體廠,
否則, MBA 在半導體業能發揮的空間真的很有限.
就如您所言, 倒不如留在台灣, 透過既有人脈去找工作.
四年工作經驗, 年薪110-150萬的 sales/marketing 缺, 其實並不少.

[eeseraph[origen]]

Hi PeterPHLin,

謝謝您的建議
事實上我在要申請前就問過很多業界的朋友長官
有人覺得這是個好的機會 有人也跟您持相同的意見

您提到的公司中剛好我有一個之前的同事在裡面擔任Marketing Engineer
他就覺得Colorado跟Minnesota對他來說根本沒差
而我之前的長官則覺得ranking越前面越好

所以我也很迷惘

[clark_chang]

Hi PeterPHLin,

謝謝您的建議
事實上我在要申請前就問過很多業界的朋友長官
有人覺得這是個好的機會 有人也跟您持相同的意見

您提到的公司中剛好我有一個之前的同事在裡面擔任Marketing Engineer
他就覺得Colorado跟Minnesota對他來說根本沒差
而我之前的長官則覺得ranking越前面越好

所以我也很迷惘

以你真的要回台灣工作，以及回台工作類型的目標，這兩家的確沒有差
但是對你自己的學習而言，排名前面的確是有差的
不管是師資、學生素質、課程....
記得，與越優秀的同學一起學習，越能激發出你的鬥志與改變你的觀念

要的話，乾脆申請台政大part time MBA
不然就選Carlson，不用考慮了

[Wutang]

Welcome to Minnesota!!!

[DancerSean]

關於台灣IC設計業，對於MBA價值的認同度，我也來發表一下意見...

我覺得這是一個趨勢，只是時間早晚的問題，應該會先從Marketing, Operation等方面任用MBA人才，漸漸開放到Strategy方面，但這也許至少需要10年的時間....

另外要注意的是，目前這些公司的管理階層，大都是台清交成等名校工程背景出身，底下的優秀工程師也都有優秀學歷（甚至難免會有名校血統的迷思...)，因此，我想至少要Top 10 MBA以內的學校才比較有說服力，才能管的住這些技術人才....甚至您本身可能也需要一個名校的理工科背景才行...

所以嘍，如果現在要出國念的話，畢業後就暫時不要回來啦... : )