剛剛看到的:
按這裡看新學制
這下可好, 12或16個月畢業的美夢沒了(我BS和MS念的都是機械)
可以選的program又少了一個
本來想看的是TOEFL 270+有沒機會念12個月的
結果是天大的壞消息
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由 mason157 » 2005-10-11 14:18
Hello all:
剛剛看到的:
按這裡看新學制
這下可好, 12或16個月畢業的美夢沒了(我BS和MS念的都是機械)
可以選的program又少了一個
本來想看的是TOEFL 270+有沒機會念12個月的
結果是天大的壞消息
剛剛看到的:
按這裡看新學制
這下可好, 12或16個月畢業的美夢沒了(我BS和MS念的都是機械)
可以選的program又少了一個
本來想看的是TOEFL 270+有沒機會念12個月的
結果是天大的壞消息
- mason157
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- 註冊時間: 2005-09-12 09:12
由 ccuturandot » 2005-10-20 03:33
davidlee0222 \$m[1]:是貴了點又偏遠嗎
很少看人討論說
IB強校分數不用太高
拼了一年多是拼磨練自己的嗎...
對阿 有沒有就讀TB的校友
我學妹今年也想申請 不過不知道那邊真正的
狀況(師資 / jobplacement....)
希望可以得到一點資訊歐
- ccuturandot
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由 thaiman » 2005-10-24 14:31
1.引述我個人覺得較中立的討論(from Business Week MBA Forum),供各位版有參考
2.看來這間學校是較適合在業界從事sales and marketing多年經驗而且畢業後也是繼續在同一領域的人唸的.
3.這校雖然不用interview,但入學前4週要去報名某種oral proficiency test(30 min, through phone),已決定入學後要修的語言課程多寡,唉,又是要錢!
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If you look at the curriculum in detail (not just reading BW or a guide) of Thunderbird vs. other schools, you notice quickly that T-bird has "international" ingrained into every single course. Even schools that have an International MBA speciality like Chicago GSB usually only have 4 or 5 courses total available that have an international spin to them. I've gotten insight from students that have gone to the top 10 schools and have been told that there was not as much international focus as they thought there would be. I've also found that they have more innovative international experiences available: Not just study abroad like some top schools.
I visited Thunderbird with classes in session and for their formal hospitality weekend. I've seen the "bad" classes and the "good" classes. I've had late night conversations with students discussing what needed to improve at the school and I've found the things that they complained about were pretty much the same things that I heard students complaining about at the top schools.
But, I was really blown away by the T-bird culture. It was very warm and welcoming and I was surprised to meet a number of students who had turned down the Kelloggs and other top schools to go there. You are very much exposed to an international environment simply by going to school there and for every region of the world.
OK, so no one gets pissed at me I'll give some cons...
1) If your goal is to get a job with one of the top strategic consulting firms or investment banking making 100k pplus right out of school, it's probably not the school for you. (With that being said, I do know there are alums working at some of the top firms in both industries and I do know that a student did get an offer of 150k last year).
2) Although student diversity is overwhelmingly one of its strengths, it is also a con. Some students do not have a strong command of English and it can make things difficult if you are working with them. (But, I have heard that AdCom is moving towards interviewing the majority of intl. students as a rule of thumb to minimize this in the future)
3) Not as many companies recruit at Thunderbird as the top schools contributing to a lower placement rate. My personal belief is that this is due to the school's location in Arizona which is not a major metropolitan area where MBAs usually end up (& not a big city for consulting & IB firms) AND not a lot of companies are looking to hire international specialists. Someone majoring in International Business at a different school has the option of applying for all the other non-international jobs at the school.
My advice: If you just want some exposure to internationalism but it's not a big focus, go elsewhere. Kellogg, Chicago, Wharton, Columbia, Michigan, Texas, USC, Haas, Indiana, Georgetown, & North Carolina all have great programs. If a 100k job in Consulting or IB is your focus, go elsewhere. If you want your school recognized by a lot of people where there business is just domestically focused, go elsewhere (because if their focus is domestic, they might not know T-bird). If you want to specialize or work in Europe, you may or may not want to consider a European school instead. If you are not good at networking with alumni and need a lot of your job interviews set up for you, T-bird might not be right for you.
But, if you want a huge focus on international business & you want the curiculum to reflect that, go to Thunderbird (or South Carolina or ???). If you want a strong worldwide network vs. a regional network, go to Thunderbird. Many of the European schools only have networks in Europe. etc.
Sorry this is so long...I just didn't want anyone to accuse me of not giving a full picture. I actually left a lot out. If you really want an accurate picture of Thunderbird: do 2 things 1) VISIT THERE-it will blow you away and 2) Meet their alumni: they meet the 1st Tuesday of every month in every major city around the world.
2.看來這間學校是較適合在業界從事sales and marketing多年經驗而且畢業後也是繼續在同一領域的人唸的.
3.這校雖然不用interview,但入學前4週要去報名某種oral proficiency test(30 min, through phone),已決定入學後要修的語言課程多寡,唉,又是要錢!
*********************************************
If you look at the curriculum in detail (not just reading BW or a guide) of Thunderbird vs. other schools, you notice quickly that T-bird has "international" ingrained into every single course. Even schools that have an International MBA speciality like Chicago GSB usually only have 4 or 5 courses total available that have an international spin to them. I've gotten insight from students that have gone to the top 10 schools and have been told that there was not as much international focus as they thought there would be. I've also found that they have more innovative international experiences available: Not just study abroad like some top schools.
I visited Thunderbird with classes in session and for their formal hospitality weekend. I've seen the "bad" classes and the "good" classes. I've had late night conversations with students discussing what needed to improve at the school and I've found the things that they complained about were pretty much the same things that I heard students complaining about at the top schools.
But, I was really blown away by the T-bird culture. It was very warm and welcoming and I was surprised to meet a number of students who had turned down the Kelloggs and other top schools to go there. You are very much exposed to an international environment simply by going to school there and for every region of the world.
OK, so no one gets pissed at me I'll give some cons...
1) If your goal is to get a job with one of the top strategic consulting firms or investment banking making 100k pplus right out of school, it's probably not the school for you. (With that being said, I do know there are alums working at some of the top firms in both industries and I do know that a student did get an offer of 150k last year).
2) Although student diversity is overwhelmingly one of its strengths, it is also a con. Some students do not have a strong command of English and it can make things difficult if you are working with them. (But, I have heard that AdCom is moving towards interviewing the majority of intl. students as a rule of thumb to minimize this in the future)
3) Not as many companies recruit at Thunderbird as the top schools contributing to a lower placement rate. My personal belief is that this is due to the school's location in Arizona which is not a major metropolitan area where MBAs usually end up (& not a big city for consulting & IB firms) AND not a lot of companies are looking to hire international specialists. Someone majoring in International Business at a different school has the option of applying for all the other non-international jobs at the school.
My advice: If you just want some exposure to internationalism but it's not a big focus, go elsewhere. Kellogg, Chicago, Wharton, Columbia, Michigan, Texas, USC, Haas, Indiana, Georgetown, & North Carolina all have great programs. If a 100k job in Consulting or IB is your focus, go elsewhere. If you want your school recognized by a lot of people where there business is just domestically focused, go elsewhere (because if their focus is domestic, they might not know T-bird). If you want to specialize or work in Europe, you may or may not want to consider a European school instead. If you are not good at networking with alumni and need a lot of your job interviews set up for you, T-bird might not be right for you.
But, if you want a huge focus on international business & you want the curiculum to reflect that, go to Thunderbird (or South Carolina or ???). If you want a strong worldwide network vs. a regional network, go to Thunderbird. Many of the European schools only have networks in Europe. etc.
Sorry this is so long...I just didn't want anyone to accuse me of not giving a full picture. I actually left a lot out. If you really want an accurate picture of Thunderbird: do 2 things 1) VISIT THERE-it will blow you away and 2) Meet their alumni: they meet the 1st Tuesday of every month in every major city around the world.
- thaiman
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