啊 這本書拖了一個月還沒看完...
該看的書一堆
而要溫習的大概永遠不會開始吧
一直逃避pre-MBA這件事
有人在考慮CEIBS中歐國際工商管理學院MBA嗎
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由 connoisseur » 2006-04-19 15:44
我大學是管理學院畢業的，退伍後在外商作了八年IT的業務，去年11月看到一篇數位時代關於CEIBS EMBA的報導，加上工作遇到了個瓶頸，想switch career，因此決定重拾考慮許久，卻一直沒動作的MBA之路。
考量時間因素，申請美國學校已太晚，趕不上今年開學的課程。且美國學校大多得花二年，我想申請的學校又都貴得不得了，加計機會成本至少5、6百萬台幣跑不掉。離家也遠，畢業後又未必能取得justify這昂貴學費的工作，以及我想留在亞洲發展，加上考量大陸經濟的快速發展、第一手大陸人脈的建立等因素，我選擇了申請CEIBS。
Then why CEIBS? Not other Greater China region MBA?
1. It is located in SH, the only place I am interested in living in China.
2. It is taught in English, and globally ranked and accredited. At least Finanicial Times puts CEIBS in a good spot.
3. Its blue chip EMBA pool, which encompasses Chinese business elites, but so far I am not sure whether MBA students can levarage that resources effectively.
4. Its international exchange program, I still look forward to spend some time in prestigious B-schools in US or Europe. I think CEIBS has benefitted from emerging Chinese economy and its SH location, it has a long list of exchange programs. Including NYU, LBS, HEC, UCLA, etc. You have a good chance to exchange to these school for a term, which varies from 2 to 4 months. And best of all, it is within the CEIBS tuition, which is much affordable than most of the top business schools worldwide.
There are some other reasons too, but above explains most of my underlying analysis of my decision. Actually, CEIBS is the only school I applied, because the process is really too exhausting and I do not have that much passion for other schools. To show my committment, I flew to Shen Zhen for CEIBS info session and to SH for interview. It is also my personal due diligence to this school, since I don't know any persons there at that time, and I wanted to know if it worths the investment. I even lived in their campus before the interview and met some current MBA students during the trip.
As to my profile, my GMAT is 710, TOEFL is 270(Not mandatory for CEIBS, I took it in case I have to apply to other schools). And I have to say, 2 of my best friends who will go to HAAS and HEC this year have helped me a lot in the application prcess. They provided me valuable advice in terms of GMAT, essays and recommendation letters. Esp. essays, the torturing process of writing essays is also an important reason that I did not apply to other B-schools. Actually, one of them told me about Chase Dream, and the other brought me here to the coffee shop. Every one's life is really tightly knitted, isn't it?
Some experiece sharing, welcome any thoughts.
考量時間因素，申請美國學校已太晚，趕不上今年開學的課程。且美國學校大多得花二年，我想申請的學校又都貴得不得了，加計機會成本至少5、6百萬台幣跑不掉。離家也遠，畢業後又未必能取得justify這昂貴學費的工作，以及我想留在亞洲發展，加上考量大陸經濟的快速發展、第一手大陸人脈的建立等因素，我選擇了申請CEIBS。
Then why CEIBS? Not other Greater China region MBA?
1. It is located in SH, the only place I am interested in living in China.
2. It is taught in English, and globally ranked and accredited. At least Finanicial Times puts CEIBS in a good spot.
3. Its blue chip EMBA pool, which encompasses Chinese business elites, but so far I am not sure whether MBA students can levarage that resources effectively.
4. Its international exchange program, I still look forward to spend some time in prestigious B-schools in US or Europe. I think CEIBS has benefitted from emerging Chinese economy and its SH location, it has a long list of exchange programs. Including NYU, LBS, HEC, UCLA, etc. You have a good chance to exchange to these school for a term, which varies from 2 to 4 months. And best of all, it is within the CEIBS tuition, which is much affordable than most of the top business schools worldwide.
There are some other reasons too, but above explains most of my underlying analysis of my decision. Actually, CEIBS is the only school I applied, because the process is really too exhausting and I do not have that much passion for other schools. To show my committment, I flew to Shen Zhen for CEIBS info session and to SH for interview. It is also my personal due diligence to this school, since I don't know any persons there at that time, and I wanted to know if it worths the investment. I even lived in their campus before the interview and met some current MBA students during the trip.
As to my profile, my GMAT is 710, TOEFL is 270(Not mandatory for CEIBS, I took it in case I have to apply to other schools). And I have to say, 2 of my best friends who will go to HAAS and HEC this year have helped me a lot in the application prcess. They provided me valuable advice in terms of GMAT, essays and recommendation letters. Esp. essays, the torturing process of writing essays is also an important reason that I did not apply to other B-schools. Actually, one of them told me about Chase Dream, and the other brought me here to the coffee shop. Every one's life is really tightly knitted, isn't it?
Some experiece sharing, welcome any thoughts.
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由 modern » 2006-04-20 02:15
CUHK的交換名單 (以每個學校可以去兩到三人，program共五十人的規模來說 這樣很夠用了)
USA
- Columbia Business School
- Duke University
- New York University
- The University of Chicago
- The University of Florida
- The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
- University of California at Los Angeles
- University of Texas at Austin
Canada
- The University of British Columbia
- The University of Toronto
- The University of Western Ontario
- York University - shulich
Europe
- Bocconi University, Italy (這家就是SDA啦)
- Copenhagen Business School, Denmark
- ESADE, Spain
- Hautes Etudes Commerciales, France (這個是HEC)
- London Business School, UK
- University of St. Gallen, Switzerland
- RSM Erasmus University Graduate School of Business
Asia
- Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad
- International University of Japan
- National University of Singapore
- Tsinghua University, China
-本年度新增台大 以及政大
Australia
- Melbourne Business School
- University of Queensland
HKU的交換名單=兩家! 看起來很少但實際上......
一家LBS!! 一家Columbia!! 這兩家可以打死幾十家，所以完全不需要管只有兩家....
UST則是一長串，共51間，但是其實意義上並沒有數字上一樣的大 倒是說像是Kellogg就因為跟UST感情太好了，只給UST名額，其他學校想搶Kellogg都搶不到 如果很想去西北的人選UST就很爽:P (光是學費就不知道省多少) 還有想去特殊地方交換的人也會很有趣 有印度學校跟中東學校咧~~
HKUST MBA International Exchange Partners
Canada
1. University of British Columbia
2. University of Toronto
United States
3. Columbia University
4. Cornell University
5. Duke University
6. Emory University
7. Indiana University
8. Michigan State University
9. New York University
10. Northwestern University
11. Southern Methodist University
12. The Ohio State University
13. The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
14. Tulane University
15. University of California, Berkeley
16. University of California, Irvine
17. University of California, Los Angeles
18. University of Chicago
19. University of Florida
20. University of Maryland
21. University of Michigan
22. University of Minnesota
23. University of Rochester
24. University of Southern California
25. University of Vanderbilt
26. University of Virginia
27. University of Washington
28. Washington University in St Louis
Asia and Middle East
29. Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad (India)
30. Indian School of Business (ISB) (India)
31. Tel Aviv University (Israel)
32. International University of Japan (Japan)
33. KAIST Graduate School of Management, Seoul (Korea)
34. Beijing International MBA at Peking University (PRC)
35. Guanghua School of Management, Peking University (PRC)
36. China Europe International Business School (PRC)
37. Shanghai Jiao Tong University (PRC)
38. Tsinghua University (PRC)
39. National University of Singapore (Singapore)
Australia
40. Australian Graduate School of Management
41. Melbourne Business School
Europe
42. Copenhagen Business School (Denmark)
43. ESSEC - Graduate School of Management (France)
44. HEC School of Management (France)
45. HHL, Leipzig Graduate School of Management (Germany)
46. Wissenschaftliche Hochschule für Unternehmensführung Koblenz (Germany)
47. RSM Erasmus University (Netherlands)
48. Escuela Superior de Administración y Dirección de Empresas (Spain)
49. Instituto de Empresa Graduate Business School (Spain)
50. London Business School (United Kingdom)
51. The University of Manchester - Manchester Business School (United Kingdom)
USA
- Columbia Business School
- Duke University
- New York University
- The University of Chicago
- The University of Florida
- The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
- University of California at Los Angeles
- University of Texas at Austin
Canada
- The University of British Columbia
- The University of Toronto
- The University of Western Ontario
- York University - shulich
Europe
- Bocconi University, Italy (這家就是SDA啦)
- Copenhagen Business School, Denmark
- ESADE, Spain
- Hautes Etudes Commerciales, France (這個是HEC)
- London Business School, UK
- University of St. Gallen, Switzerland
- RSM Erasmus University Graduate School of Business
Asia
- Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad
- International University of Japan
- National University of Singapore
- Tsinghua University, China
-本年度新增台大 以及政大
Australia
- Melbourne Business School
- University of Queensland
HKU的交換名單=兩家! 看起來很少但實際上......
一家LBS!! 一家Columbia!! 這兩家可以打死幾十家，所以完全不需要管只有兩家....
UST則是一長串，共51間，但是其實意義上並沒有數字上一樣的大 倒是說像是Kellogg就因為跟UST感情太好了，只給UST名額，其他學校想搶Kellogg都搶不到 如果很想去西北的人選UST就很爽:P (光是學費就不知道省多少) 還有想去特殊地方交換的人也會很有趣 有印度學校跟中東學校咧~~
HKUST MBA International Exchange Partners
Canada
1. University of British Columbia
2. University of Toronto
United States
3. Columbia University
4. Cornell University
5. Duke University
6. Emory University
7. Indiana University
8. Michigan State University
9. New York University
10. Northwestern University
11. Southern Methodist University
12. The Ohio State University
13. The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
14. Tulane University
15. University of California, Berkeley
16. University of California, Irvine
17. University of California, Los Angeles
18. University of Chicago
19. University of Florida
20. University of Maryland
21. University of Michigan
22. University of Minnesota
23. University of Rochester
24. University of Southern California
25. University of Vanderbilt
26. University of Virginia
27. University of Washington
28. Washington University in St Louis
Asia and Middle East
29. Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad (India)
30. Indian School of Business (ISB) (India)
31. Tel Aviv University (Israel)
32. International University of Japan (Japan)
33. KAIST Graduate School of Management, Seoul (Korea)
34. Beijing International MBA at Peking University (PRC)
35. Guanghua School of Management, Peking University (PRC)
36. China Europe International Business School (PRC)
37. Shanghai Jiao Tong University (PRC)
38. Tsinghua University (PRC)
39. National University of Singapore (Singapore)
Australia
40. Australian Graduate School of Management
41. Melbourne Business School
Europe
42. Copenhagen Business School (Denmark)
43. ESSEC - Graduate School of Management (France)
44. HEC School of Management (France)
45. HHL, Leipzig Graduate School of Management (Germany)
46. Wissenschaftliche Hochschule für Unternehmensführung Koblenz (Germany)
47. RSM Erasmus University (Netherlands)
48. Escuela Superior de Administración y Dirección de Empresas (Spain)
49. Instituto de Empresa Graduate Business School (Spain)
50. London Business School (United Kingdom)
51. The University of Manchester - Manchester Business School (United Kingdom)
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modern - 黃金會員
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由 michaelkuo » 2006-04-21 11:32
OK
那就再改一個時間吧！
五月的第一和第二個星期五六日我不在台灣
其餘時間皆可
M兄，先透露一下地點是哪裡啊？
我可以找一些朋友先去消費
謝啦！
那就再改一個時間吧！
五月的第一和第二個星期五六日我不在台灣
其餘時間皆可
M兄，先透露一下地點是哪裡啊？
我可以找一些朋友先去消費
謝啦！
- michaelkuo
- 初級會員
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- 註冊時間: 2005-12-20 22:45
- 來自: Chicago GSB
由 modern » 2006-04-21 16:31
哈哈
Michael你是先去上課了還是有要事要出差?
我記得還沒開課吧
五月初到中我也不在，要去大陸一趟私人行程陪外公外婆去。 (得寫清楚才不會被誤以為) 算算時間，應該可以先定在五月十九號(五)晚上，然後六月份再定一個六月二號(五)晚上的聚會，不知大家意見如何
最近發覺自己沒財務基礎是很傷的一件事情，少一堆工作機會@@。 雖然作PM都得看基本的財報、會計帳，作基本的pricing，算行銷資源的quota，但是那畢竟跟實際能用的差太遠，得把自己這塊補到一個ok的程度才行...... >< 不然空有產業的實務經驗以及外加知道產業的流向、趨勢再加上一些些產業人脈用處還是....完全不夠 不足 不行><。
財會統的中文入門書誰來介紹我一下阿? 我要那種自己翻也看的懂的書!! 介紹給我吧 小弟我感激不盡
我要介紹的好地方阿，他叫做一元堂 http://www.yytfood.com.tw/
我都去敦南和平交叉口的敦南店 http://tw.lifestyle.yahoo.com/biz.html? ... e692d979ed 以他的價錢來說東西蠻好吃的，聊天又適合
另外 剛好提到吃這個議題我就要說一下，post MBA或是MBA的過程中我可能在台灣有個小小的創業，而創業的模式可能就是開餐廳先。
不過實際去做hands on business的人不會是我自己而會是我的一個朋友 :P 他有他餐飲管理的專業，那些給他做就好。
我大概會負責籌資、PR找客人來捧場、以及建立集團化發展的基礎組織吧
這是一個已經規劃中的初步想法，而且會是一個我確定要做的事情，就是....屬於不是"說大話" "說夢想"的那個部分，而是一個"計畫好要做的事情" (我說我想搞個硬體品牌公司做的比Logitech或是三隻鳥還大，這就是說大話與說夢想的部分)
因為......一來自己好吃 ，覺得很多兩百多塊錢的電東西真是難吃到暴 ... 換我做一定不一樣 二來這種資本小、現金流量大、創業是我這種沒背景的人最適合的 三來...我覺得...像三皇三家這種隨便都可以開到南霸天我就覺得自己玩一樣的business玩不贏他們自己就遜掉了:P 四來，搞的好的話就應該來做中國版的麥當勞阿，進攻西方世界阿，立志幹掉麥當勞的營業額，用資本主義幹掉資本主義的始祖老美阿，這才是王道 :P
Michael你是先去上課了還是有要事要出差?
我記得還沒開課吧
五月初到中我也不在，要去大陸一趟私人行程陪外公外婆去。 (得寫清楚才不會被誤以為) 算算時間，應該可以先定在五月十九號(五)晚上，然後六月份再定一個六月二號(五)晚上的聚會，不知大家意見如何
最近發覺自己沒財務基礎是很傷的一件事情，少一堆工作機會@@。 雖然作PM都得看基本的財報、會計帳，作基本的pricing，算行銷資源的quota，但是那畢竟跟實際能用的差太遠，得把自己這塊補到一個ok的程度才行...... >< 不然空有產業的實務經驗以及外加知道產業的流向、趨勢再加上一些些產業人脈用處還是....完全不夠 不足 不行><。
財會統的中文入門書誰來介紹我一下阿? 我要那種自己翻也看的懂的書!! 介紹給我吧 小弟我感激不盡
我要介紹的好地方阿，他叫做一元堂 http://www.yytfood.com.tw/
我都去敦南和平交叉口的敦南店 http://tw.lifestyle.yahoo.com/biz.html? ... e692d979ed 以他的價錢來說東西蠻好吃的，聊天又適合
另外 剛好提到吃這個議題我就要說一下，post MBA或是MBA的過程中我可能在台灣有個小小的創業，而創業的模式可能就是開餐廳先。
不過實際去做hands on business的人不會是我自己而會是我的一個朋友 :P 他有他餐飲管理的專業，那些給他做就好。
我大概會負責籌資、PR找客人來捧場、以及建立集團化發展的基礎組織吧
這是一個已經規劃中的初步想法，而且會是一個我確定要做的事情，就是....屬於不是"說大話" "說夢想"的那個部分，而是一個"計畫好要做的事情" (我說我想搞個硬體品牌公司做的比Logitech或是三隻鳥還大，這就是說大話與說夢想的部分)
因為......一來自己好吃 ，覺得很多兩百多塊錢的電東西真是難吃到暴 ... 換我做一定不一樣 二來這種資本小、現金流量大、創業是我這種沒背景的人最適合的 三來...我覺得...像三皇三家這種隨便都可以開到南霸天我就覺得自己玩一樣的business玩不贏他們自己就遜掉了:P 四來，搞的好的話就應該來做中國版的麥當勞阿，進攻西方世界阿，立志幹掉麥當勞的營業額，用資本主義幹掉資本主義的始祖老美阿，這才是王道 :P
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modern - 黃金會員
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由 jmyang » 2006-04-21 22:23
modern \$m[1]:哈哈
最近發覺自己沒財務基礎是很傷的一件事情，少一堆工作機會@@。 雖然作PM都得看基本的財報、會計帳，作基本的pricing，算行銷資源的quota，但是那畢竟跟實際能用的差太遠，得把自己這塊補到一個ok的程度才行...... >< 不然空有產業的實務經驗以及外加知道產業的流向、趨勢再加上一些些產業人脈用處還是....完全不夠 不足 不行><。
財會統的中文入門書誰來介紹我一下阿? 我要那種自己翻也看的懂的書!! 介紹給我吧 小弟我感激不盡
那我來推薦自己老師寫的書好了。台大劉順仁教授出的「財報就像一本故事書」。光看書名就知道一定是自己翻就看得懂得。時報的書摘如下，可以先看看適不適合：
http://www.readingtimes.com.tw/books/bo ... &id=DH0151
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由 erik » 2006-04-22 06:05
modern \$m[1]:... 財會統的中文入門書誰來介紹我一下阿? 我要那種自己翻也看的懂的書!! 介紹給我吧 小弟我感激不盡
....
財管 - 謝劍平, 財務管理—新觀念與本土化。不知道投資學要不要順便也讀一下。
會計 - 高職所用的會計課本 或 鄭丁旺, 會計學 。不過每個國家的會計都不大一樣。可能看看管理會計比較可能用到。
統計 - 方世榮，統計學導論 及 張子傑，應用統計學 。其實常用到的應該是多變量分析。
廣告
http://www.sbin.com/erik/MBA/road_to_MBA.html
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由 modern » 2006-04-22 10:59
Erik兄:
感謝指點~
這幾本課本老實講我大概都聽過 :P
我家裡面還有一大本的謝劍平著 " 現代投資銀行" :P 透過之前一份工作公司有人送的。 至於行銷學的科特勒( principle那本)或是台大四人幫的經濟學等，這些書在我大學時代也因為有到外系修課所以手上都還留著。
其實，不看書都還不覺得自己資質駑鈍，看了之後才覺得自己真的很遜很肉腳
我發現翻了這些課本的感覺，就又回到了大學時代那種沒老師講就會鴨聽雷的階段。 這些課本類書籍，用的寫法跟切入點往往用意不在於從"訓練一個MBA"出發，因為會計課本的切入點是訓練一個會計人員、記帳人員、審計人員or CPA，寫的方式就成了bottom up 而非MBA學生所需要的Top down. 統計課本的出發點是訓練統計人員，財務課本是訓練財務人員。 都不是訓練MBA用的，就連要找一本 "給MBA學生用的基礎微積分+教你怎麼操作工程計算機(附圖例)" 都沒有。 埃優我的媽，財務學課本每一本都以為我的微積分是有基礎的，是會打TIBAII的，最好是這樣啦，如果是這樣，我好麻吉鄺& Martin開的金證照補習班就不會那麼賺錢了!!)
結論還是我先前的老結論兩個: 1. MBA並非大宗物資，而是小眾團體。 書-->要賣給小眾=不好賣 潛在客戶太少 所以沒人願意寫 2. 真正有實戰經驗，強到可以寫這種書的人，沒空寫或不願意寫。
憑我這拼了老命考了三次Gmat卻還是只有640的資質要在沒基礎的情況下看這些"大""長""厚", 而且沒有標明哪些是重點哪些不是的 "課本"，不只是看不懂，更無力再往下翻。 也不知道為什麼，中文書裡頭似乎沒有幾本專為MBA學生開的書，上頭那本財報就像一本故事書我翻了一下決定要買了，因為這本挺像的。 財務的部分，我大概會找我財工所的朋友幫我補一點。 英文書裡面有一套 Fast Forward MBA in XXX 我剛下載完成，會翻翻看到底好不好用 :P
感謝指點~
這幾本課本老實講我大概都聽過 :P
我家裡面還有一大本的謝劍平著 " 現代投資銀行" :P 透過之前一份工作公司有人送的。 至於行銷學的科特勒( principle那本)或是台大四人幫的經濟學等，這些書在我大學時代也因為有到外系修課所以手上都還留著。
其實，不看書都還不覺得自己資質駑鈍，看了之後才覺得自己真的很遜很肉腳
我發現翻了這些課本的感覺，就又回到了大學時代那種沒老師講就會鴨聽雷的階段。 這些課本類書籍，用的寫法跟切入點往往用意不在於從"訓練一個MBA"出發，因為會計課本的切入點是訓練一個會計人員、記帳人員、審計人員or CPA，寫的方式就成了bottom up 而非MBA學生所需要的Top down. 統計課本的出發點是訓練統計人員，財務課本是訓練財務人員。 都不是訓練MBA用的，就連要找一本 "給MBA學生用的基礎微積分+教你怎麼操作工程計算機(附圖例)" 都沒有。 埃優我的媽，財務學課本每一本都以為我的微積分是有基礎的，是會打TIBAII的，最好是這樣啦，如果是這樣，我好麻吉鄺& Martin開的金證照補習班就不會那麼賺錢了!!)
結論還是我先前的老結論兩個: 1. MBA並非大宗物資，而是小眾團體。 書-->要賣給小眾=不好賣 潛在客戶太少 所以沒人願意寫 2. 真正有實戰經驗，強到可以寫這種書的人，沒空寫或不願意寫。
憑我這拼了老命考了三次Gmat卻還是只有640的資質要在沒基礎的情況下看這些"大""長""厚", 而且沒有標明哪些是重點哪些不是的 "課本"，不只是看不懂，更無力再往下翻。 也不知道為什麼，中文書裡頭似乎沒有幾本專為MBA學生開的書，上頭那本財報就像一本故事書我翻了一下決定要買了，因為這本挺像的。 財務的部分，我大概會找我財工所的朋友幫我補一點。 英文書裡面有一套 Fast Forward MBA in XXX 我剛下載完成，會翻翻看到底好不好用 :P
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modern - 黃金會員
- 文章: 1319
- 註冊時間: 2005-10-19 23:31
- 來自: Microsoft China
由 erik » 2006-04-22 17:01
如果是這樣的話，那了解下面東西，那就結束了：
1. Financial basic terminology
2. The financial processes of a company
3. Financial accounting - basics
4. Accounting Theory, The Annual Report, The Financial Statement and Balance Sheet
5. Financial Key Ratios Analysis (ROI, RE, ROS, Rd, Du-Pont...)
6. EVA
7. Cost of capital (CAPM, WACC)
8. Budgeting
- Cash-flow Analysis
- Net present Value
9. Project and Capital Budgeting
10. Business Case Modeling
底下這個東西好像不錯，只是不知那邊有
MBA Survival Kit
http://www.mba.com/mba/Store/products/P ... valKit.htm
1. Financial basic terminology
2. The financial processes of a company
3. Financial accounting - basics
4. Accounting Theory, The Annual Report, The Financial Statement and Balance Sheet
5. Financial Key Ratios Analysis (ROI, RE, ROS, Rd, Du-Pont...)
6. EVA
7. Cost of capital (CAPM, WACC)
8. Budgeting
- Cash-flow Analysis
- Net present Value
9. Project and Capital Budgeting
10. Business Case Modeling
底下這個東西好像不錯，只是不知那邊有
MBA Survival Kit
http://www.mba.com/mba/Store/products/P ... valKit.htm
- erik
- 初級會員
- 文章: 45
- 註冊時間: 2006-03-06 01:12
41 篇文章 • 第 2 頁 (共 3 頁) • 1，2，3
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