天山7-41

[汪汪北鼻]

Scientists have dated sharp-edged flakes of stone found in the fine-grained sediments of adry riverbed in the Afar region of Ethiopia to between 2.52 and 2.60 million years ago,pushing back by more than 150,000 years the earliest date when it is known that humans made
stone tools
A. when it is known that humans made

B. at which it is known that humans had made

C. at which humans are known to have made

D. that humans are known to be making

E. of humans who were known to make

答案C

我選A ,
A是錯在it指涉不清嗎?
C的完成式如何解釋?

[訪客]

A跟B的 it可能指代前面整件事情或是那個date...
C的完成是我覺得是在那個date之前已經開始有在make stone tool...

[qqlin123]

請問一下..
c可以解釋成說that humans are known 指最近才被知道
而後面的to have made是指humans在被known之前所做的事....
小弟的愚見...請批評一下...
by the way....

E.為什麼錯呀?

[cocaine]

請問一下..
c可以解釋成說that humans are known 指最近才被知道
而後面的to have made是指humans在被known之前所做的事....
小弟的愚見...請批評一下...
by the way....

E.為什麼錯呀?

E. date of human...句意怪怪..

[CUGGYER]

AB pronoun 不可代句子 代fakes 也是數量不一致
B it "is" known that humans "had" made 時態不一致
D that 不可代 at which (那when可以代 at which嗎 因為前面是date?)
E date of human 使句意不清楚
而且know是最近的事情 不是過去 所以也不能用were to known吧?

請問我思路正確嗎?

[SugarChunda]

這題答案我是選A, 理由如下 :
A選項的it應該不是當代名詞用,似乎應該是後面that子句的虛主詞 ? 所以A的問題是否不是出在代名詞指涉上, 而是時態問題 ? 但是我又覺得應該使用現在完成式的動詞應該是know, 而不是make, 因為make若使用現在完成式, 不就代表人類製造石器這件事一直持續到現在了嗎?
能不能拜託大家指點迷津 !!! 感激不盡 !!

[zhangone]

這題答案我是選A, 理由如下 :
A選項的it應該不是當代名詞用,似乎應該是後面that子句的虛主詞 ? 所以A的問題是否不是出在代名詞指涉上, 而是時態問題 ? 但是我又覺得應該使用現在完成式的動詞應該是know, 而不是make, 因為make若使用現在完成式, 不就代表人類製造石器這件事一直持續到現在了嗎?
能不能拜託大家指點迷津 !!! 感激不盡 !!

選A有ambiguity的問題
when可作關係副詞修飾date
也可做連接詞(副詞子句修飾have dated)

CD上看來的

[BECKY]

我也是選A耶...
有人可以解說一下為什麼A錯嗎??
謝謝囉...^^

[modern]

A-->
能用介系詞加上關代at which　就別用when吧　老莫心法某一條
這題就算把虛主詞反回來　變成 "when humans are known that made 也怪
因為這題句義在於說明　那時候人們"已經" 做好了石頭工具
單用made真的很awkward....　　常讀英文文章的人應該會感受到那種awkward的感覺

C選項的have made正確 at which 又用的好　　然後又不用虛主詞(有短的實主詞能用　就別用長的虛主詞　　造成不簡潔)

[SELVICHY]

想不到這題討論到現在還是模模糊糊.....快暈倒了....
有一個觀念老莫只輕鬆帶過去,
所以大概很多人就將他遺忘了吧.
告訴你,
用when或at which都對,虛主詞it is或主詞humans都對,
這些都對,但這題只考一個觀念.
"推測動詞"
非常死板,非常簡單:
know to have....
指動作發生較早,推測時間較晚,只有一個形式,其他都錯.
有疑問的話,請回去翻閱講義,你的疑問將迎刃而解.
C,對得一蹋糊塗.

[dibert8]

這題答案我是選A, 理由如下 :
A選項的it應該不是當代名詞用,似乎應該是後面that子句的虛主詞 ? 所以A的問題是否不是出在代名詞指涉上, 而是時態問題 ? 但是我又覺得應該使用現在完成式的動詞應該是know, 而不是make, 因為make若使用現在完成式, 不就代表人類製造石器這件事一直持續到現在了嗎?
能不能拜託大家指點迷津 !!! 感激不盡 !!

有同感.

[dibert8]

humans are known to...
人類因...而知名?

e.g. (from Oxford)
The man is known to the police (as a criminal).
She is best known for her work on the human brain.
He is known to be an outstanding physicist.

[nomade]

這邊的know 應該是realize的意思

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▶REALIZE◀
*[intransitive and transitive]to realize, find out about, or understand something
ex. Hardly knowing what he was doing, Nick pulled out a cigarette.She knew the risks involved.
*know (that)
Suddenly she knew that something was terribly wrong.
*know how/what/why etc
I didn't know how difficult it would be.
*know to do something
She knows not to tell anyone.

[dibert8]

原文在 http://www.archaeology.org/9703/newsbriefs/tools.html
More than 2,600 sharp-edged flakes, flake fragments, and cores (cobbles from which flakes have been removed), found in the fine-grained sediments of a dry riverbed in the Afar region of Ethiopia, have been dated to between 2.52 and 2.60 million years ago, pushing back by more than 150,000 years the known date at which humans were making stone tools.

這個句子似乎有些問題.
1. 脫節: pushing 的主詞是 flakes... and cores; ETS 做了修正,把主詞改成 scientists.
2. 時態: at which = when 不用進行式,用過去式就可以了.
3. ETS 大概也覺得原句 known 用得不好,把它放到後面去: the known date = the date it is known
答案呼之欲出,應該選 (A) .原句沒有推測動詞的用法, ETS 拿來攪局的吧!

(C) 裡推測動詞以被動句意呈現,應該是不合理的,推測動作的主詞,應該是 scientists, 不是 humans (i.e. 那些原始人)

[pimi]

(C) 裡推測動詞以被動句意呈現,應該是不合理的,推測動作的主詞,應該是 scientists, 不是 humans (i.e. 那些原始人)

實在是不太了解這句話的意思@ @
那一定是人類被推測做這些石器, 怎會是scientist當推測動作的主詞呢？？

請大大指導