MBA排名的意義

[azio3]

目前我也正在準備申請明年秋季斑MBA，我自己對於品牌行銷很有興趣，未來也希望能創立自己的品牌...我考了3次AT分數最高才到600，但是令我納悶的是，看到大家討論的學校幾乎都是TOP30，難得真的非得要唸到rank這麼前面的學校才值得??

[egg]

目前我也正在準備申請明年秋季斑MBA，我自己對於品牌行銷很有興趣，未來也希望能創立自己的品牌...我考了3次AT分數最高才到600，但是令我納悶的是，看到大家討論的學校幾乎都是TOP30，難得真的非得要唸到rank這麼前面的學校才值得??

其實我也有這種疑惑，這裡都是牛人的感覺
我覺得有學到東西最重要，
至於名次和學校的排名，
我沒有很在意!

[cburger]

目前我也正在準備申請明年秋季斑MBA，我自己對於品牌行銷很有興趣，未來也希望能創立自己的品牌...我考了3次AT分數最高才到600，但是令我納悶的是，看到大家討論的學校幾乎都是TOP30，難得真的非得要唸到rank這麼前面的學校才值得??

其實我也有這種疑惑，這裡都是牛人的感覺
我覺得有學到東西最重要，
至於名次和學校的排名，
我沒有很在意!

Top 30 itself is a brand :)

If you are interested in brand management/marketing, you should try to understand how top schools maintain their brand images

[polarbear]

值不值得,
永遠都存乎一心---你的心.

完全看你人生要甚麼.
甚麼地方都學得到東西,多少或是質好質差而已.
在MIT,有人可以畢業去創業倒了好幾次再來,
也有直接做banking一年賺個US300K,

在HBS有人畢業可以去開蛋糕店,也有人去麥肯錫,
甚麼樣的選擇都有,大家繳的學費都一樣,
做甚麼對你最值得就在於你自己.

畢竟都是要砸一筆不小的錢,所以有些人想申請top的學校,而因為top學校難進,所以大家在不確定性較高的情況,想多或取一些資訊,所以上來問問題.

[Wutang]

the way I see it, getting a MBA has two meaning behind it. One is to study and one is build up your connection. A school with higher reputation is most likely increase your chance to secure an offer from employees. Therefore, people should try to get into a better school as possible, because the essential of a MBA degree is to help you to find a better job.

[lucyyeh]

我覺得值不值得是看個人的價值觀，除了樓上幾位分享的以外，我覺得有時候你接觸到的"人"，也是很重要。我跟樓主有相似的目標，本來我也是以為不一定要進Top30，可是經過參與很多場的info session等活動，我真覺得Top 30有他們值得唸的地方，除了本來學校條件就很好以外，我也感受到很多Top B-School的學生、校友、老師們的風範---這一切都更加的激勵我。
我覺得這種感覺是很難形容，如果我整天埋首在書堆，或限於工作的小圈圈，我真的不會想那麼多。當然Top 30還是很競爭，我都是告訴自己，我還是要向自己挑戰，如果說真的努力過後，
還是達不到的話，那再考慮其他學校，反正那學校相對的也比較容易申請。如果一開始就自己降低目標，反而就沒有那麼強的動力去挑戰自我極限了。我覺得無論是唸哪個MBA，畢業後回來或是在國外工作，都是一樣要再面對許多工作上的考驗，而且很多時候，工作上的考驗，還不是自己心乾情願去受的。 反而像是追求Top MBA的目標，完全都是為了要讓自己更好，那怎麼又怎麼該輕易妥協呢? 如果真的度過這關，相對的未來能夠承受考驗的程度也可能會更高。我覺得AT考三次不到600也還是可以再努力的，我也還沒考到理想分數，現在要考第三次了。一起努力吧!

[azio3]

很感謝的大家回覆與解說，會發問實在是因為對於選校感到太徬徨，不願花了大錢卻跑錯學校讓自己後悔，對於AT我會在努力看看...大家一起努力

[zeta1203]

那請問如果AT有650但是托福只有CBT:207(去年3月考的)想申請有前50的MARKETIN研究所,有機會嗎?是哪一間學校?謝謝大家

[Opeman]

I'd say the chance to get into top 50 b-school with CBT 207 is nigh impossible.

The other thing is, even you can get in, you won't be able to make the most of the MBA experience given your limited english capability.

Try to re-take TOEFL ba..

[MarkHsu]

Don't want to write too much about the topic since this will be a never ending debate. Basically, figure out what your goals are first and remember an MBA is an once in a lifetime thing if you choose to do one.

Here's an article from the WSJ:

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Want to Break Into Private Equity? Go to Harvard Biz School
Posted by Deal Journal

Ron Alsop, who wrote a piece in today’s Wall Street Journal on M.B.A.s and private equity, elaborates on the importance of having good connections for aspiring Steve Schwarzmans and Henry Kravises.

Alumni connections open doors for M.B.A. students in many industries, but they’re especially critical in the red-hot private-equity field.

In interviews with private-equity executives and business-school career-service directors for my M.B.A. Track column, it became abundantly clear that the alumni network in private equity makes all the difference. Without those old-school ties, students have much less chance of breaking into the field.

Renny Smith, managing director of TH Lee Putnam Ventures and an alumnus of Dartmouth College’s Tuck School of Business, recently received an email out of the blue from an M.B.A. student at a major Midwestern university seeking a summer internship. To him, the email indicated that her own school had few if any graduates at private-equity firms to help her make the career jump.

“Your best shot is finding an alum to be your champion,” Smith told me. “A very small number of private-equity firms proactively recruit at business schools so students have to leverage their alumni network.”

That helps explain Harvard Business School’s growing penetration of the private-equity field. About 11% of the class of 2006 secured private-equity positions, up from 7% of the class of 2004. Harvard officials say HBS has long been the “school of choice” for people in private equity. (Schwarzman, the Blackstone Group founder, is an HBS grad; Henry Kravis of Kohlberg Kravis Roberts went to Columbia Business School.)

“HBS alumni are the dominant voice in the senior leadership of PE firms,” says Deirdre Leopold, managing director of M.B.A. admissions and financial aid at Harvard. “More than 27% of the founders of existing [private equity and venture capital] firms are graduates of HBS.”

Good connections have their rewards. As the piece points out, 2006 Harvard grads who landed jobs in private equity earned median base salaries of $125,000 and bonuses of $77,500 in their first year.

[adrienphil]

今天同事轉寄給我一篇, 跟這個討論好像有一點點相關, 也貼上來好了....


Business Schools
Forgetting Missions?

By GEORGE ANDERS
September 26, 2007

Business-school professors are masters at critiquing everyone else's work. They pick apart Microsoft Corp.'s strategy; they rebuke Enron-era companies for ethics breakdowns. They are so busy gazing outward that it's unthinkable for them to rip into their own institutions.

Now Rakesh Khurana, an associate professor at Harvard Business School, is about to break that taboo.
Next month, Prof. Khurana is publishing a critique of business schools' evolution over the past 50 years. His book, "From Higher Aims to Hired Hands," argues that famous B-schools, including Harvard, have lost track of their original mission to produce far-sighted leaders who can help the economy run better.

As Prof. Khurana sees it, M.B.A. training has deteriorated into a race to steer students into high-paying finance and consulting jobs without caring about the graduates' broader roles in society. "The logic of stewardship has disappeared," he says. Panoramic, long-term thinking has given way to an almost grotesque obsession with maximizing shareholder value over increasingly brief spans.

As a result, he declares, getting an advanced degree in business no longer amounts to entry into a full-fledged profession, like law or medicine. It's just a badge that lets graduates latch onto situations where they can jostle the actual managers of companies and make a lot of money for themselves in the process.

If Prof. Khurana wanted to torment business-school deans, alumni and current students, he couldn't have picked a better way. For years, the B-school community has taken great pride in repeatedly redefining its mission as job markets change. It stings to be told by anyone -- let alone a fellow insider -- that many of these adjustments should be a source of shame, not pride.

At the University of Michigan's Ross School of Business, for example, swarms of graduates once headed for jobs in the car industry. Today, with auto companies locked in an unending struggle to get costs under control, that figure has sunk to just 1.5%. That doesn't worry Dean Robert Dolan; his school now sends 66% of graduates into service-sector jobs, with consulting and finance leading the way.

At the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, almost half the 800 first-year students attend career chats about what it would be like to work for hedge funds or private-equity firms. Four years ago, such formal briefings didn't exist. But booming interest in those sectors has led the school to help students prepare for possible jobs in those areas, says Michelle Antonio, Wharton's director of M.B.A. career management.

IF BUSINESS SCHOOLS were simply trying to help students find the fastest path to riches, they should do nothing but point students toward various areas of high-octane investing. A Harvard Business School survey last year found that private-equity shops offered graduates the best pay packages of any field -- a median salary of $125,000, with bonuses of more than $90,000.

That's just the beginning. Forbes magazine's latest list of the 400 richest Americans includes 45 newcomers this year, with 20 of them coming from the hedge-fund and private-equity communities. By contrast, high tech and traditional manufacturing are good for just two apiece. (The new industrialists hardly evoke comparisons to Andrew Carnegie; they made their money in pesticides and nondairy creamer.)

At least some business schools are uneasy about how much they want to coddle up to private-equity firms and hedge funds. Those firms' current allure may just be another reminder of how exciting Wall Street can look at the top of a cycle, says Rebecca Joffrey, associate director of career development at Dartmouth's Tuck School.

SHE HAS BEEN encouraging traditional industrial firms to keep sending recruiters to Tuck, even though financial firms' pull these days is unusually strong. If capital markets slump, she explains, companies such as Cargill and PepsiCo will still be hiring when the hedge funds and private-equity firms are likely to be scaling back.
For his part, Prof. Khurana would like to see business schools take much more aggressive steps to mend their ways. He is impressed by the ways that law and medical schools certify graduates' knowledge and require lifelong continuing education. Perhaps business schools should do something similar, he suggests.
Prof. Khurana also would like it if company managers regained some of their old authority, being able to build lasting value on dimensions that went beyond this week's stock price. He may be too nostalgic here. All-powerful bosses didn't always make wise decisions.

Yet Prof. Khurana has identified an important imbalance. In the current environment, many brilliant young M.B.A.s don't aspire to be corporate chief executive officers, who struggle to uphold their agendas against pressure from all sides. These students would rather be consultants who earn big money fomenting change. Better yet, they want to be the powerful investors who hire and fire CEOs.

Until those dynamics change, it will be hard for top business schools to resume their traditional -- and vital -- role as training grounds for the next generation of corporate leaders.
Write to George Anders at george.anders@wsj.com

[modern]

討論從第一篇至今都沒人來定義"意義"阿

我的定義是

"MBA排名是一個包含學術水平,教學質量,就業潛力,同學水平,社會聲望等單項指標的綜合指標,方便申請者以更快以及更有效率的方式篩選自己申請的學校"

這個定義如何? based on this definition then you can start to think about the "meaning."