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文章modern » 2007-12-16 01:52

yelloweriol520 \$m[1]:那美國大學畢業的就業機率如何? 我打算在美國工作。


如Mark說的
個人能力好+學校好 =>你會有機會找到比在台灣念最好的學校能找到的工作好更多的工作

我的一個朋友念USC大三就在ML intern,畢業就有offer..他還不願意去.@@
因為他自己的small business賺的比ML還多五倍... 他老爸的real estate就更不用說了

如果去念了middle of nowhere college, you might get a job like in the middle of no where.....

你的問題太廣 很難回答 而且還有industry sector的差別 所以 先去看看vault吧
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文章yelloweriol520 » 2007-12-16 10:00

modern \$m[1]:如果去念了middle of nowhere college, you might get a job like in the middle of no where.....



XD....
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文章zacchen » 2007-12-16 11:52

Charlie Wang 把重點都講到了
在Finance的領域上,MBA吃香太多了,大學畢業錢要賺到可以還債的水準,我會建議你去大中華區試試
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文章vc1209 » 2007-12-16 12:48

既然確定會出國唸大學, 就不用想太多了. 這反正不是一個不好的選擇.
把 GPA 維持在 3.4 以上, 將來申請 MBA (if you want to) 就少一件要擔心的事.
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文章yelloweriol520 » 2007-12-16 16:48

zacchen \$m[1]:Charlie Wang 把重點都講到了
在Finance的領域上,MBA吃香太多了,大學畢業錢要賺到可以還債的水準,我會建議你去大中華區試試


其實我沒有很堅持一定要finance。 不過希望能夠主修一個比較能夠銜接MBA的東西。 還有盡量可以畢業找到好工作可以到養活自己的程度。我目前最想要的是business honors的課程, (university texas at austin) 學費便宜,而且很給我MBA的感覺。 :smile
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文章Yimmiwan » 2007-12-17 01:52

yelloweriol520 \$m[1]:

其實我沒有很堅持一定要finance。 不過希望能夠主修一個比較能夠銜接MBA的東西。 還有盡量可以畢業找到好工作可以到養活自己的程度。我目前最想要的是business honors的課程, (university texas at austin) 學費便宜,而且很給我MBA的感覺。 :smile


其實要銜接MBA,也沒有一定要選商學院的主修。現在很多MBA program都是強調多元,先不管實際上一個program最後錄取的學生背景比例比較偏那個方向,基本上只要你在你所做的領域有傑出表現,都可以獲得商學院MBA的青睞。

大學選主修不應該以將來要念MBA為目標,這樣是本末倒置。MBA也只是一個學習上的過程,而通常也是需要跟你之前所學和經驗有所結合才能做最大的運用。還沒有念大學,還沒有完全了解將來(不管短期長期時間)想要做什麼事情,還沒有確定MBA是不是你真的會需要的之前,先不用把事情想的那麼遠。要把MBA作為一個未來想要實行的目標可以,但把它當成是一個可以跟你人生規劃相輔相成的工具,而不是把現在的人生規劃就圍繞在一個MBA學位上。
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文章yelloweriol520 » 2007-12-18 00:04

謝謝 Yimmiwan 大大的指導~
我覺得我現在在杞人憂天... 不過我真的覺得早點知道自己要什麼會比較好focus...
我看了一下MBA排名,還有Undergrad 的business 排名, 我應該要看什麼, 因為除了第一名 (UPENN)
其實under 跟 graduate 的排名有一點差別。 要前幾名才算是好學校?
MBA好,會帶動undergrad 的品質嗎 ?


Oh...在美國工作的大大,以後還要多照顧~_~
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文章Charlie Wang » 2007-12-18 01:54

目前美國有under商學院的排名只有 USNEWS, Business Week, and Princeton’s Review. 這些排名確實跟USNEWS裡面的MBA有點出入

雖然Harvard, Duke的MBA好,但Harvard, Duke都沒有under商學院 (還有其他名校可能都沒有)
MBA好可能會帶動under的實力,但許多好的MBA學校卻都不提供under商學院

多年跟同學,朋友,家長相處的感覺,他們大致心裡的reputation順位是
Ivy學校,再來是私立名校,再來才是公立大學
以數據排名來說,美國公立大學第一名在USNEWS裡也才排21名在整體大學裡面

如果你要申請美國大學,建議以那個順位為考量
美國大學漸漸成為M型化社會,將來私立學校會越來越好,公立的大學卻要走民營化,像現在University of Virginia在做的,不然未來競爭力會越來越低

(這是M型化的文章, The Dangerous Wealth of the Ivy League) http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/co ... n+business
(中文版,美國大學 陷入M型危機) http://udn.com/NEWS/FINANCE/FIN5/4123521.shtml
(How Can Public Compete with Private?) http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/co ... han=search
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文章MarkHsu » 2007-12-18 12:23

In the US, the way people look at undergrad ranking is the overall ranking. However, keep in mind that in Taiwan most people are just familar with the national universities. There is another class of colleges that is equally reputable and would rank ahead of most public universities as well.

To get a better sense of how recruiters in the finance industry view schools, take a look at where Morgan Stanley, one of Wall St's top firms, recruits.

http://www.morganstanley.com/about/care ... index.html

Keep in mind Analyst is an undergrad position & Assoicate is an MBA-level position.

I think you will notice that location matters as most schools are based on the East Coast.
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文章Jason Lee » 2007-12-18 13:16

MarkHsu \$m[1]:In the US, the way people look at undergrad ranking is the overall ranking. However, keep in mind that in Taiwan most people are just familar with the national universities. There is another class of colleges that is equally reputable and would rank ahead of most public universities as well.

To get a better sense of how recruiters in the finance industry view schools, take a look at where Morgan Stanley, one of Wall St's top firms, recruits.

http://www.morganstanley.com/about/care ... index.html

Keep in mind Analyst is an undergrad position & Assoicate is an MBA-level position.

I think you will notice that location matters as most schools are based on the East Coast.


Agree with Mark.

All Ivies are located in the East Coast.

Choose Ivies even if they only offer half-ride.
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文章yelloweriol520 » 2007-12-19 02:40

Thanks a lot for your replies.

I have look up the morganstanley website, and there are plenty of positions!!

OMG... I became a little dizzy reading what all positions are about..

I am still contemplating which suits me the most...

What about your positions? Which position are you in now??
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文章yelloweriol520 » 2007-12-19 20:50

其實我有點搞不懂,什麼是什麼... 我感覺這些職位都差不多.... 而且基本條件,還有"是否適合你" 這個都差不多阿....
Corporate Treasury
Credit
Financial Control Group
Global Capital Markets
Global Wealth Management
Human Resources
Investment Banking
Investment Management
Operations
Prime Brokerage
Private Equity Group
Private Wealth Management
Public Finance
Research
Sales & Trading
Securities Lending
Spring Insight Programme
Strategy & Execution
Technology


有沒有大大可以解釋一下這些這個職位"真正"在做什麼。
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文章zacchen » 2007-12-19 22:41

看了這麼多的討論,我有一點小小的建議
原po考慮的很周到,但是有一點想太多了
現在連大學都還沒唸,就想到四年五年以後的事情
我覺得有一點不太實際
在這幾年中間,事情很有可能有變化
原po的心境,想法也有可能有變化
原po倒不如好好準備考試,先申請到一間好的學校
還有很多時間可以好好想你的未來,探索你的興趣之所在
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