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[Charles Pan]

thanks jimmy,

glad to find you're enjoying haas and hopefully also tilden park. i haven't made my final decision regarding mba. i'm doing fine without it, but it's a tempting idea to take a long break in silicon valley with a mba as side product and maintaining my vc/industry network at the same time.

wish you best luck with your mba/career endeavors.

[whoopsnow]

to whoopsnow,

this can be a "why mba" question, and the answer varies for different individuals.

according to the brochures, a mba is supposedly to make you a "business leader" or at least "manager", right? however, based on my own bulge bracket i-bank experience, i believe that i-banking (consulting not much better) really has little to do with "management". i-bankers and consultants are referred as "professionals", not "managers". they are safe plays and can actually be a fast track to management positions, but there's no guarantee and not everyone fits into these sectors.

the peer pressure also varies in different schools. wharton/chicago/columbia are quite finance/consulting obsessed, but a number of people in stanford/berkeley would prefer high-tech company/start-up to financial jobs. a google project manager doesn't sound worse and make less than a morgan stanley associate.

personally, i'd rather to run a successul company with bankers/consultants working for me rather than to be a consultant/banker (don't hate me, i-bankers and consultants. i think these are great professions, but i don't enjoy it that much). as for you, i hope a mba enables you to control your life, not to be controlled by flavor-of-month type of jobs.

my advice: be yourself and pursue your dream. f**k the noises.

venture,

I appreciate your detailed advice. I do have a very clear goal of what to do after mba, but I have to admit that after months of contacts with other mba applicants/students/alumni i start to realize that my background and career goal do not seem even close to most of theirs. this more or less influenced my perception of an mba education. at the same time, while all the schools i applied to claim they welcome students with DIVERSE backgrounds and goals, the many rejections from them hit me like crazy in the past couple of weeks. that's why the doubt.

i didn't have any knowledge of "i-banking", "VC", and "PE", nor have I heard of "Technology Management" (which sounds REALLY nice) though, i understand that the only school that accepts me understands MY need, and more important, that i can learn what's necessary TO ME in this school. though they are not top15, i thank them greatly for giving me the chance, and $$ .

and i thank you venture for taking the time answering my question. i asked a question to which I knew the answer long time ago but lost confidence in day after day. Your confirmation means a lot to me. thanks man!!

[wata]

我也是個相當注重生活品質的人
另一種說法就是我不是懷有偉大抱負的熱血青年
剛開始也覺得為什麼一堆牛人都想要進IB和consulting firm呢
(甚至還有一種IB與Consulting之外的工作就不是好工作的印象)
不過當自己真的很了解想要什麼 (或是很不想要什麼)
那些聲音就是雜音了 :)

題外話, 我在McKinsey的網站上看到他們有一種work program是part-time的
標榜的就是: 你會有時間去爬個山寫個書多陪陪家人
阿 還真是吸引人阿~~

[chris8888]

真是說的好呀.

今天看了香港首富小學畢業的李嘉誠, 他說一句話 : Most MBA花拳繡腿, 使不上力.

確實在找工作上, 名校始終是企業的則才標準選項ㄓㄧ, 但是真正做實事的人, 並不需要名校來襯托.

要謀個一口飯吃, 名校當然是很好的條件, 但是要真正做出具體的事業, 甚至養活數以萬計的勞工, 為國家社會真正做出價值, 我享有多少個名校學生創造出王永慶, 郭台銘, 李嘉誠等人的大事業, 他們真正養活了台灣香港一大票的家庭. 促進了經濟的成長. 當然世界各地都很多這種人. 哪怕是夜市的好吃炸雞排服務了數以萬計的客人, 滿足有口腹之慾, 提升幸福感, 也賺不少錢, 甚至不輸MBA, 他的價值也不在MBA之下, 至少MBA畢業的人還會搞安隆案, 搞垮企業, 弄得大家失業, 賣雞排頂多讓幾個人吃了拉肚子, 所以眼界放大, 有很多不同的觀點. 單然我自己也是想要念MBA, 我無意貶低MBA的價值, 但MBA的價值絕不只是單單學力而已, 或者是學校. 但也不會跟學校名氣無關.

確實, $$ 和 @@ <== 這兩個符號是名校或不是名校找工作的視覺, 但名校光環隨著年齡會逐漸削減, 如果希望自己人生不是只是找工作賺錢溫飽, 是希望真正發揮生命的價值與意義的, 那麼, 名校不能決定什麼, 惟有要做的是讓自己的努力發揮到極致, 有人就是適合做Marketing, 有人適合作IT, or Financial M, SCM, RD, HR and so on.

Whatever, 找到自己生命的價值, 因為上帝總有設計你來發揮自己的地方, 不要浪費自己的價值. 至於你能夠申請到怎樣的學校? 是不是名校? 盡力去做就是了, 不需要刻意貶低名校的價值, 也不用放低標準念非名校. Make every endeavor to achieve the goal you are dying for.