有人今年要去IU Bloomington?

[ychuang9]

Hi there,

I am Frank. 我是今年要去Kelley School of Business in Indiana University讀MBA的同學
想要邀請預計今年要去IU的同學，希望大家能夠在行前來認識一下，未來也可以有所照應!

我的MSN & email: ychuang9@hotmail.com

[bejer]

恭喜! IU 是個好學校, 好的MBA體驗. 你會以它為榮的.
(IU MBA 的過來人)

[waka]

請問bejer

能否分享一下你在IU的經驗呢?
感覺比較少人談及....謝謝!

[bejer]

IU is a school focusing on team work and "capability-shaping". Based on our experience, IU's workload is among Top 5 in the nation and its core courses are very intensive and high pressured (especially if you don't have any quant background). Within Big 10, IU is also famous for its achievement on case competition. Unfortunately, due to its location, not many consulting firms pick IU as top consideration. I still remember that IU has a very unique program called LDI (Leadership development Institute), which provides best experience of how to be a great leader rather than being a normal manager. Trust me, it is something you won't get anywhere. Even now, as working in Top Company in the world, I still don't find such a beneficial program from regular trainings.
About student profile, most people choose IU because of its marketing and finance programs (especially those Americans). Consumer marketing is one of Kelley's tradition. Although its marketing ranking is not among Top10, many consumer companies, such as P&G or Lily, still hire many IU MBA every year. The bad news for you is: sometimes, they don't support H1B visa and you must compete with Chinese or Indians for limited opportunities.
Just can't describe everything at this moment after all day's working. Should you have any question, just send me messages.

[Jason Lee]

No H1b sponsorship directly means that P&G and Lily do not even exist for international students. What is the purpose to attend to a school that has many well-known companies recruiting for Americans and not for international students? Your chance to secure as a job in the US is as much as if you were to attend a second or third tier MBA programs. What can IU do for international students? Does it have a list of recruiting companies that could provide H1b VISAs?

IU is a school focusing on team work and "capability-shaping". Based on our experience, IU's workload is among Top 5 in the nation and its core courses are very intensive and high pressured (especially if you don't have any quant background). Within Big 10, IU is also famous for its achievement on case competition. Unfortunately, due to its location, not many consulting firms pick IU as top consideration. I still remember that IU has a very unique program called LDI (Leadership development Institute), which provides best experience of how to be a great leader rather than being a normal manager. Trust me, it is something you won't get anywhere. Even now, as working in Top Company in the world, I still don't find such a beneficial program from regular trainings.
About student profile, most people choose IU because of its marketing and finance programs (especially those Americans). Consumer marketing is one of Kelley's tradition. Although its marketing ranking is not among Top10, many consumer companies, such as P&G or Lily, still hire many IU MBA every year. The bad news for you is: sometimes, they don't support H1B visa and you must compete with Chinese or Indians for limited opportunities.
Just can't describe everything at this moment after all day's working. Should you have any question, just send me messages.

[lightsaber]

No H1b sponsorship directly means that P&G and Lily do not even exist for international students. What is the purpose to attend to a school that has many well-known companies recruiting for Americans and not for international students? Your chance to secure as a job in the US is as much as if you were to attend a second or third tier MBA programs. What can IU do for international students? Does it have a list of recruiting companies that could provide H1b VISAs?

IU is a school focusing on team work and "capability-shaping". Based on our experience, IU's workload is among Top 5 in the nation and its core courses are very intensive and high pressured (especially if you don't have any quant background). Within Big 10, IU is also famous for its achievement on case competition. Unfortunately, due to its location, not many consulting firms pick IU as top consideration. I still remember that IU has a very unique program called LDI (Leadership development Institute), which provides best experience of how to be a great leader rather than being a normal manager. Trust me, it is something you won't get anywhere. Even now, as working in Top Company in the world, I still don't find such a beneficial program from regular trainings.
About student profile, most people choose IU because of its marketing and finance programs (especially those Americans). Consumer marketing is one of Kelley's tradition. Although its marketing ranking is not among Top10, many consumer companies, such as P&G or Lily, still hire many IU MBA every year. The bad news for you is: sometimes, they don't support H1B visa and you must compete with Chinese or Indians for limited opportunities.
Just can't describe everything at this moment after all day's working. Should you have any question, just send me messages.

An equally important question should be whether P&G and Lily provide H1b VISAs to international students at other MBA programs?

As I know, Kelley attracts prestigious companies, such as General Mills and Whirlpool, not only the abovementioned P&G and Lily .

[sunsun1008]

Could someone share some information with me about the opportunity to work in U.S after graduating from IU?
Or the opportunity to be hired in U.S but work in Taiwan (get global pay but not necessarily need H1B)
Does IU provide a strong career service?
And the average salary for a student from Taiwan if I major in business marketing..wish to work in a multi-national company and engage in brand management.
thank you so much~~

[bejer]

Quick response to Jason's points:
P&G and some consumer product companies don;t offer opens for international students in other Top MBA either.
(You may see very veyr few exceptions, but jut forget them). It is true and no need to argue.
The purpose of studying a Top MBA program in US is not everything for Job and "staying in US". Consumer product companies might not hire international studnets on marketing position. However, you still have good chances to shoot
for other positons outside mid-west. Many of our friends got offers in marketing at midsize companies, some IT industry, some manaufacturing, and some retail. I didn't say IU has bad career service (actually, it's career center is super in these years). My point is: you must undetrstand what's your strength and your career goal. Let's take marketing as an example again. If you want to enter consumer companies like P&G, it is really "almost" impossible for a foreigner. However, that doesn't mean you should give up IU admission and go to other schools. You have loads of
opportunities in smaller companies. I believe this issues is not unique to IU. It exists in most MBA programs.

To reply sunsun1008's question:
Your question is really hard to answer. The obvious response for you is: NO.
However, it really depends on your definition on your question. What is multi-national company (how big), what kind of industry, and what's your major (marketing, OP, or...
I seldom hear such opportunity (US hire and base in Taiwan with Global pay). However, many new job opens in China for those chinese studnes who plan to go back to their hometown.
It is possible for work for a "so-called" international after your grad. However, how deep your package will be completely depends on what you are. (your exp, your potential, your ability). But to be honest, you WON"T get global pay - average MBA pay is around USD 80000-90000 per year (IU degree in marketing). It is almost IMPOSSIBLE for a person with limited working experience to get NTD 3M here, isn't it?

[kaihuang]

大家好，我是Kelley今年的畢業生，
首先恭喜版主拿到Kelley的Offer，
接下來分享一些Insider Information:
有關主修Marketing的台灣和大陸同學今年的就業狀況如下：

今年台灣主修行銷兩位，
一位將要加入Whirlpool，
另一位要去General Mills
都是行銷的職位，
兩間都是美國知名的大公司。

中國同學：主修行銷不知道幾位，很多人都有雙主修，不然就是找行銷也找其他職位，估計大約是八人。
兩位拿到Abbott，
一位拿到Brunswick (遊艇製造公司，位於芝加哥)
一位拿到Coca Cola China
一位拿到Eli Lilly China (Global Pay)
其餘的我在學校網站上暫時還沒看到
以上所有在職位美國的offer都是 $100K+ / year (包含signing bonus)

另外我想說的是：
學校不會幫你找到工作，
學校只能幫你和recruiter見到面。
要拿到工作要看自己。
GCS近年來很努力，
很多的大公司都到這裡來招募，
也都願意招募國際學生。

學校已經幫我們製造了很多的機會，
要比較career service的話，
以行銷來說：今年所有公司發出來的offer數量其實大於行銷主修的學生人數很多。
若是說：平均每個畢業生有將近兩個工作機會
這樣講沒錯，
但是offer的分佈相當的不均勻，
有很多人沒找到工作，
可是兩位台灣同學總共拿了六個offer

近年美國不景氣，很多公司也都開始縮減招募人數，
第一個會被犧牲的多半是國際學生的名額。
所以明年可以預見就業市場可能不會太樂觀
希望後年能好轉了。

[sunsun1008]

謝謝你...
我昨天也寫信問了一位今年要畢業的學姊
她對IU的評價也很好
我有位朋友是2001年的畢業生 他也很愛IU
唸過的都說好 真的很令人安心..我要去IU了!