[分享]台灣人於美國牛校入學人數之統計.

[adrienphil]

1) Darden class of 2006: 3 directly from Taiwan + 1 who grew up in NZ.
2) 來美國前我也"以為"大陸人英文都比較破, 來之後才發現不盡然, 其實很多大陸學生很多是在美國念第二個master, 或是之前曾經被公司派來美國/加拿大工作過的, 即使是直接從上海/北京出來的, 英文發音好的大有人在. 而且重點是他們有自信多了. (嗯.. 這點我就不知道是我個人的問題還是台灣人的問題了..嘿嘿).

謝謝 MBAboy 的熱情統計

或上百人 然後這些人明明英文說輸你聽輸你但是卻可以AT隨便考就700+ (還邊上班邊唸喔!!) 那種背景像我這種廢咖要怎麼去贏他們我都不知道><

唉 要惜福阿.....

[Allenr]

Basically, I would like to second Adam's comments and make the long story short:

1. For international students, especially the ones who never worked and lived in the States, finding jobs in the States is harder than you are imagining.

2. Not everyone wants to do IB/Consulting

3. For those really want to do IB/Consulting, going back to the Greater China Area is the mainstream.

4. For those who really like to stay in the States, finding a job in marketing or HR areas could be more difficult than landing a job in IB and Consulting.

5. Yes, the above comments apply to top b-schools, let alone the others.

6. Inspiringly, exceptions are not rare. However, most of these exceptions were super talented and successful before coming to b-school anyway.

7. To conclude, top b-schools still worth your investment, assuming that you would keep studying harder, networking harder than domestic students in your MBA life.

[davidlee0222]

忍不住想問
請問樓主統計這個幹麻呢?
就算有三千人唸了top 15又如何?
就代表這個國家強了嗎?
如果有兩千九百人唸出來不是他要的
掛了個名校又有何意義呢?
統計的這些top 15牛人
小弟自己大概認識一半
就個人認知這些牛人都很有自己的想法
也都找到自己的興趣
即使他們唸完出來九成以上是真的要走這行的
他們的強烈特質跟過人努力也讓他們所屬的行業非他們來做不可
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直的橫的全部定位分析給你看
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達頓小姐專業背景紮實抗壓續航力強又走向清晰 學經歷串聯興趣目標一路達陣
芝加哥西恩是強力POWER核能電廠 視野廣闊巨細靡遺超強毅力無與倫比 市場動態分析瞭若指掌 世界龍頭大廠超年輕主管 洞見與領導者魅力令人熱血沸騰 本人極帥
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另一名密西根大帥B爺八面玲瓏network極廣 資訊吸收於無形之中幽默風趣年紀輕輕涵養極深令人如沐春風 尤其女人緣極佳令人不禁搥胸頓足懷疑存在意義想自殘 一旦定向全力直衝望塵莫及又身段極軟令人心服口服
柏克萊吉米帥哥資訊背景雄厚走向一貫 風趣專業毅力過人 生活精采多元
站上還有很多實實在在的牛人大老級人物 不是這些數字看的出來的
站大無私貢獻與數位創站大老Entrepreneurship精神造福國內商界國際人才
AGK老大一呼百應講情義 和煦春風與博大格局照料下屬令人甘心做牛做馬 是站上的核心人物 所做貢獻無法言喻
蘇菲小姐沉穩熱心秀外慧中能輕易主導大局絕對是領袖級人物
摩登兄對事物觀察細微精闢是牛校必搶人物 快來TB受世界級極廣多元文化的無上限洗鍊吧

這些是小弟一年多來在站上的收穫
不是小小幾個數字可以oversimplify的

[jason]

IMD

好慘 居然沒排上Top 15

好歹 BenQ 的 L. K. Y. 也在那進修過 ...

上述的統計

充滿山姆大叔的觀點 ...

俄,德,法,日,奧,義,英 ,台,中,印都沒好學校嗎?

納悶中...

[davidlee0222]

講到這個就十日十人干
ACER的Stan Shih
施振榮博士 (Dr. Stan Shih)
學歷： 國立交通大學名譽工學博士 (1992)
美國桑德博國際管理研究所榮譽博士 (2000)

http://business.sohu.com/20050616/n225970891.shtml

访谈

　　经济观察报：回望28年的历程，你怎么理解自己在全球华人企业界里的地位？

　　施振荣：我们从小受到的教育是，中国人积弱百年，没有现代化，在国际上被看不起。那你是否有心去改变这种情况呢？有心的人就会有行动。例如早期的王安，他虽然在美国创业，但仍然有华人的传统。另一个有心人是创立CA公司的王嘉廉，当然王嘉廉的模式不见得对华人适用。


　　企业品牌跟两个点有关：一是创新，一是国际化管理。欧洲创新实际上从工业革命开始，现在轮到了美国。东印度公司是近四百年最早的国际化管理案例，而美国的国际化管理从雷鸟（Thunderbird）商学院开始。雷鸟曾是美国二战时的空军训练基地。五十年前为什么会有这个商学院？因为美国人认为他们要实现国际化但人才不足。美国五十年前才开始培养国际化产业，那么国际化需要多少时间？日本企业在创新方面做得很好，但现在看来，他们的国际化管理却不是很理想。国际化必须信得过当地人。

美俄日韓中台法印義葡泰英德烏土非摩奈加墨利西克保捷
可以在同一個晚上酒吧裡跳舞聊天
IM的發源地被排到非洲去了

[MBABoy]

IMD

好慘 居然沒排上Top 15

好歹 BenQ 的 L. K. Y. 也在那進修過 ...

上述的統計

充滿山姆大叔的觀點 ...

俄,德,法,日,奧,義,英 ,台,中,印都沒好學校嗎?

納悶中...

When you post your comment, please refer to the upper-left of your screen. There, you will find some words: "美洲留學相談室". Thank you.

[sophiechen]

David同學

你這是在賣膏藥嗎
說得落落長

另一名密西根大帥B爺八面玲瓏network極廣 資訊吸收於無形之中幽默風趣年紀輕輕涵養極深令人如沐春風 尤其女人緣極佳令人不禁搥胸頓足懷疑存在意義想自殘 一旦定向全力直衝望塵莫及又身段極軟令人心服口服

我看你這樣形容他
我晚餐吃的東西差點都要吐出來了
我看他不只女人緣佳吧
也很有你的緣

[modern]

I think an equally important point is that you must have relevant pre-MBA experience to get into IB.

Even if you attend a top school, but have no relevant work experience, the switch will be nearly impossible.

Some key factors:

--prestige of your undergrad (for Taiwanese students who did undergrad in Taiwan this would be "0")

--prestige of your pre-MBA employer

--pre-MBA work experience

Mark appears again :P

I agree with Mark in this topic Pre-MBA work exp is a key point. Many people are thinking about career switch, but most of successful stories are all about "career advancement" in the same career path instead of " career switch."

People should know your own strength and use your strength on doing something that is intersting to you instead of focusing on those shining IB jobs. Yes, these jobs offer you a bunch of money but they are not suitable for everyone.

[csc]

agree with modern's discussion

[modern]

1) Darden class of 2006: 3 directly from Taiwan + 1 who grew up in NZ.
2) 來美國前我也"以為"大陸人英文都比較破, 來之後才發現不盡然, 其實很多大陸學生很多是在美國念第二個master, 或是之前曾經被公司派來美國/加拿大工作過的, 即使是直接從上海/北京出來的, 英文發音好的大有人在. 而且重點是他們有自信多了. (嗯.. 這點我就不知道是我個人的問題還是台灣人的問題了..嘿嘿).

謝謝 MBAboy 的熱情統計

或上百人 然後這些人明明英文說輸你聽輸你但是卻可以AT隨便考就700+ (還邊上班邊唸喔!!) 那種背景像我這種廢咖要怎麼去贏他們我都不知道><

唉 要惜福阿.....

hi~ 我沒說全部 我只是說部份 而這部分卻是不少 這不是他們的問題 而是教他們的老師原本就遜了 但是比起唸書 他們真的是一流中的一流 有的不只唸書 更是才華洋溢 我接觸越多越望之興嘆 這真是人多地大物博才看的到的怪咖 ( ps 我剛交了一個大陸朋友 十三歲大學畢業 十五歲創業 兩年後收掉公司去作打工仔 先再一家五百大做了一年小經理 現在在一家一百大作更大一點的經理 管的人不多 "約百人而已" 重點是...他現年18 >< 還有 他們家也不是什麼高幹或是有錢人 他是白手平地起)

中國大陸這近二十年創造了一批新富人 也創造了一批新中產 他們的自信就像台灣民國七十多年那時候一樣 國力強 對國家有信心 在他們身上有充滿著矛盾 很多人往往奮鬥到美國 找到溫飽的工作 平穩的人生後開始懷疑自己的價值在哪 窩在美國不參與中國的興起是否會是個遺憾 等種種問題

當然還是有很多形而上的差別啦 像是匯率 我們1:40直衝1:28錢頓時幾年內就變大四成 被稱為錢淹腳目 而他們錢幣至今還死守美金 還有我們亂歸亂畢竟還是盡可能的法制 不如他們人制的多 多少外資進去打了一場都是一句話 "我真是搞不懂中國人以及中國市場阿 " :P

[MBABoy]

1. Does anybody from Ross, MIT, or Dartmouth can verify the information for us? I haven't seen many people talk about these schools.

2. Does anyone apply for MIT or Dartmouth this year and already got admission?

Well, no students from MIT or Dartmouth? Or does somebody have been admitted this year and could provide this information? Thank you very much~

[MBABoy]

忍不住想問
請問樓主統計這個幹麻呢?
就算有三千人唸了top 15又如何?
就代表這個國家強了嗎?
如果有兩千九百人唸出來不是他要的
掛了個名校又有何意義呢?
統計的這些top 15牛人
小弟自己大概認識一半
就個人認知這些牛人都很有自己的想法
也都找到自己的興趣
即使他們唸完出來九成以上是真的要走這行的
他們的強烈特質跟過人努力也讓他們所屬的行業非他們來做不可

Hi David, the purpose of this statistics is to make it clearer about how many people go to top-notch business school every year from Taiwan. That's it. Nothing special.

But what you have said does remind me of "The Apprentice". What I would like to emphasize here is the myth of "Winner is the king" or "Winner is always right".

I have to say that I feel you think these students who get into top-notch b-schools are outstanding with "their own unique thoughts" is just because－they get into top b-schools！I know some of them seeking agents, and some of them were not clear about what they want to do in the very first beginning－you can tell that easily from the schools they applied！They were also trapped into the ranking and "brand" myth. Don't think that they are much clearer about what they are doing.

Back to "The Apprentice". In Taiwan, it is now season III for The Apprentice. Today, I deeply felt that this show is totally BS. Task today is to ask celebrities to contribute something for auctions and donate the money from the auctions to the charity. The auction will be held on TV for 11 mins TV show. The task is divided into two parts: one is to produce the TV show, and the other is to negotiate with the celebrities to see what they want to contribute for the auctions. Team A asks more from the celebrities and raised more money, hence, they win over Team B.

What Trump questioned in the board room is to say why Team B's project manager did not take in charge of the "most important" part, negotiating with the celebrities and asking more from them, by his own. The funniest thing is that Team A's project manager also did not take the charge of that part! They get more from the celebrities is just because the lady who negotiates is really good at it. (People who know what is going on for season III and the result will agree with me that the lady is really good.) But Team A wins. And now Trump and his "eyes and ears", George?, attack seriously to the Team B’s project manager on this point. What a BS, man.

That is what I want to say. Both team project managers do the same thing. But the loser is questioned about his decision which is also made by the winner. So, this is the myth of "Winner is the king".

I believe these students do have some great aspects to be admitted by the top b-schools. But I do feel your comment on them is just because they got into Harvard or Wharton or Stanford, not they have some unique thoughts. If they do have unique thoughts, they would not apply schools by ranking and "brand". I don’t think that I have to point out specific person. Not to mention some of them go to seek agents. People with unique thoughts will do this kind of thing? I do not think so.

I knew a MIT Sloan MBA alumnus who is an American. He applied only two schools several years ago, Harvard and MIT. He lives in Boston for many years and decided to stay in this region. He got admitted by both schools. But after comparing these two schools, he decided to withdraw his application from Harvard because he loves MIT's community feeling rather than the highly competitive and utilitarianism culture in Harvard. That is so-called "unique thoughts". I do not think that applying 8 to 10 schools and listed from H/S/W/Chicago/Columbia/MIT/Cornell/Michigan/Yale/UCLA is "unique". Basically, they are great because they got into one, two, or three of them. That MIT alumnus can not believe what the heck we Taiwanese are doing, applying so many schools at one time.

Just my feeling, no offense.

[wata]

I just cannot help to say...

MBABoy, The Apprentice is just a SHOW! You don't have to take it too seriously. Are you sure you know all the details during the tasks? If they don't want you know the truth, you will never know. Moreover, are you sure Donald Trump's key point is to find his own apprentice and fire the most lousy person? I don't think so! This is HIS show. He can do everything he wants.

[Shane]

Agree with Wata.
Do you guys remember Sam in the first season? Or Danny is this Season. Judging from their behaviors, I can't help but doubt this is only a show plotted by Trump, though I have to admit that it is sometimes very funny with these unexpected shock. (Same fall asleep in Season One during their task and he crawled before entering the board room. Can you believe he is one of the careful-pick elites?)

[HHC]

I knew a MIT Sloan MBA alumnus who is an American. He applied only two schools several years ago, Harvard and MIT. He lives in Boston for many years and decided to stay in this region. He got admitted by both schools. But after comparing these two schools, he decided to withdraw his application from Harvard because he loves MIT's community feeling rather than the highly competitive and utilitarianism culture in Harvard. That is so-called "unique thoughts".

Good point.

I do not think that applying 8 to 10 schools and listed from H/S/W/Chicago/Columbia/MIT/Cornell/Michigan/Yale/UCLA is "unique".

Agree.

That MIT alumnus can not believe what the heck we Taiwanese are doing, applying so many schools at one time.

When I told a friend from US that I was going to apply 8 schools, he responded to my comment almost the same.