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帖子QQcandy » 2004-11-29 22:31

154 In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation, setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.

(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered

(B) setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as

(C) and set free more than 500 slaves, who were legally considered as

(D) and set free more than the 500 slaves who were legally considered

(E) and he set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered as

This sentence requires that the participial phrase setting free... connect to the gerund construction by filing a deed...; it was the filing of a deed that made possible the setting free.... Choices A and B establish this connection, but only A, the best choice, completes the participial phrase appropriately. In choices B and D the misconstructed phrases set[ting] free more than the 500 slaves... mistakenly suggest that Carter set free slaves that were not his own. Choices C and D distort meaning by paralleling stunned and set free, as though these were two separate and independent actions. E begins a second independent clause, which—though grammatically acceptable—again distorts the meaning. In choices B, C, and E, considered as is unidiomatic.



這李還有一題... 跟據莫北北也是連接詞改分詞的.... 但是我不明白為啥在 setting前面要用逗號而不是and連接.... 因為才只有兩個....
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帖子QQcandy » 2004-11-29 22:32



1. , and  一定錯啊 , 哪裡來的三個平衡 ?

2. setting ~ 整個修飾前面的狀態 => 句意要表達的不是兩個動作

3. 當然 ,也有可能句意想表達兩個動作 ,但這時 又回歸到原本的(1) 問題

不知道清不清楚 , 不清楚請QQ姐在討論吧
不過 , 要不要另外貼一帖比較好 ?


嗯嗯 " , and" 因為沒有三個平衡, 所以錯... 但市ets為啥不用 and (沒有逗點來連接) filing 及setting 兩個分辭, 而要用逗點分隔 ?

ps. 我會不會想太多了
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帖子agk99 » 2004-11-30 00:03

呵呵
這題的setting是表伴隨,也就是stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation,之後,產生了set free的動作
那麼,表達這種概念的,就不能再用and set free
而是setting
我是看不太懂OG的解釋,他的意思不知是不是說 by 之後加setting
反而應該是前面的事,導致後面....setting free....
我覺得這樣的用法可能要和 OG 259的 left...., bringing......
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帖子 » 2004-11-30 08:57

QQcandy \$m[1]:


1. , and  一定錯啊 , 哪裡來的三個平衡 ?

2. setting ~ 整個修飾前面的狀態 => 句意要表達的不是兩個動作

3. 當然 ,也有可能句意想表達兩個動作 ,但這時 又回歸到原本的(1) 問題

不知道清不清楚 , 不清楚請QQ姐在討論吧
不過 , 要不要另外貼一帖比較好 ?


嗯嗯 " , and" 因為沒有三個平衡, 所以錯... 但市ets為啥不用 and (沒有逗點來連接) filing 及setting 兩個分辭, 而要用逗點分隔 ?

ps. 我會不會想太多了


不廢 , QQ姐抱歉 是我沒說清楚 .

setting free.....是為前面的filing a deed of emancipation 起一個補充說明的作用.

如果改成 by filing~~~ and setting free ~
文法OK , 但是 另一個問題就浮現了==> redundancy

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帖子agk99 » 2004-11-30 09:30

看魚這麼說
OG154這裡的 setting不該是前因後果
反而是分詞構句 表達前面整句概念
也就是像OG 49?

我在OG154的觀念有錯嗎

這很重要,我怕搞混,要幫我清楚解釋
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帖子QQcandy » 2004-11-30 11:14

對呀...  魚mm

這樣setting 是代表前面的一個概念 

可是我覺的那是伴隨著耶....  同時發生 

ps這帖以經分裂了啦  :^)
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帖子Pufa » 2004-11-30 11:30

OG解釋第一句:
This sentence requires that the participial phrase setting free... connect to the gerund construction by filing a deed...; it was the filing of a deed that made possible the setting free....

OG是在說因果還是伴隨阿.......?
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帖子 » 2004-11-30 12:08

pt2218 \$m[1]:OG解釋第一句:
This sentence requires that the participial phrase setting free... connect to the gerund construction by filing a deed...; it was the filing of a deed that made possible the setting free....

OG是在說因果還是伴隨阿.......?


:-S , 對不起 , 我還是搞不懂大家的問題在哪裡 :-S :-S :-S

OG 那句話 ,沒有錯啊 , 就是因為如此 , 所以作者不用 "and" 來表示 而用分詞來補充說明使句意更完整啊
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帖子agk99 » 2004-11-30 13:48

那所以我們和你這支魚的看法是一樣的喔

講伴隨這個term是劉振明的文法書說的
講因果關係的是OG的解釋說的,看樣子,兩派人馬講的是同一件事
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帖子scujean » 2006-03-13 00:39

作各總結:
setting free the...可能的原型
原型1.Robert stunned his family by filing a deed of emancipation and set free the more than 500 slaves.→翻譯起來很怪:由解放的動作嚇到他的家人,並釋放這超過500個的奴隸,所以STUN和SET FREE 應該不是平行結構。

原型2.Robert stunned his family by filing a deed of emancipation ( which was) setting free more than 500....→粗體字的地方省略,就是選項A的寫法。後面的 setting是為前面的filing a deed of emancipation 起一個補充說明的作用.
也就是大大們說的→ [highlight=yellow]伴隨=OG所說的因果關係[/highlight] setting free the...是果,filing a deed of emancipation 是因

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