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[討論]OG-154

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[討論]OG-154

帖子游客 » 2004-11-30 08:42

154 In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation, setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.

(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered

(B) setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as

(C) and set free more than 500 slaves, who were legally considered as

(D) and set free more than the 500 slaves who were legally considered

(E) and he set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered as

This sentence requires that the participial phrase setting free... connect to the gerund construction by filing a deed...; it was the filing of a deed that made possible the setting free.... Choices A and B establish this connection, but only A, the best choice, completes the participial phrase appropriately. In choices B and D the misconstructed phrases set[ting] free more than the 500 slaves... mistakenly suggest that Carter set free slaves that were not his own. Choices C and D distort meaning by paralleling stunned and set free, as though these were two separate and independent actions. E begins a second independent clause, which—though grammatically acceptable—again distorts the meaning. In choices B, C, and E, considered as is unidiomatic.


簡單的說,這題很清礎

1. , and  一定錯啊 , 哪裡來的三個平衡 ?

2. setting ~ 整個修飾前面的狀態 => 句意要表達的不是兩個動作

3. 當然 ,也有可能句意想表達兩個動作 ,但這時 又回歸到原本的(1) 問題

不知道清不清楚 , 不清楚請QQ姐在討論吧
不過 , 要不要另外貼一帖比較好 ?

剛看到你們在討論這題,把魚的講法在po一帖另外討論一下
發表一下我對ETS"逗號+分詞"的三項用法
1.表形容詞子句的省略
2.表分詞構句,一般代替主要子句主詞,今天看到魚的這題的解釋,發現到說又可代替主要句子的整體狀態,受惠了
3.表因果關係,最有名的例子就是那題少小離家老大回

因為這個分詞涵蓋的範圍有點廣,所以在考試的時候,我認為除非都沒有選項可選了,只好選這個,不然分詞盡量少選
請指教
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帖子 » 2004-11-30 08:46

:D mike , 啥是 少小離家老大回 那題 ?
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帖子micht » 2004-11-30 09:02

我記得這是 V, Ving and Ving的句型
不過怎麼判斷何時該用呢?
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帖子agk99 » 2004-11-30 09:28

to 魚
mike說的少小離家老大回是指OG259


to micht
OG154應該不是 v1, v2ing and v3ing
OG163, OG 185才算是
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帖子micht » 2004-11-30 09:31

agk99 \$m[1]:to 魚
mike說的少小離家老大回是指OG259


to micht
OG154應該不是 v1, v2ing and v3ing
OG163, OG 185才算是


oops..
不好意思沒看清楚題目 tks agk99
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帖子QQcandy » 2004-11-30 11:09

OG154應該不是 v1, v2ing and v3ing


agk 大哥... 這題我有莫北北的筆計.... 他說這題也是.... 不過這是兩個連接不是三個, 所以我才想一併討論.... 原句是這樣 .....

file and set ===> by filing , seting (第一步先去 and 加逗點 set 加 ing 第二步 看到句子有 by 所以 file 要改 filing )

有筆計的倫幫偶求證一下ㄛ !

這就是我的疑問 為啥不用 and 直接聯接兩個分詞 是不是ets 要告訴我們啥

:-#

2.表分詞構句,一般代替主要子句主詞,今天看到魚的這題的解釋,發現到說又可代替主要句子的整體狀態,受惠了


Mike....我想這就是之前所討論的 ets 不能用 which代整個句子, 所以要改分詞來表示整個句子所表達的概念, 這就是 那鍋 mondfish 會引起爭論的原因[/quote]
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帖子Pufa » 2004-11-30 11:18

QQcandy \$m[1]:
OG154應該不是 v1, v2ing and v3ing


agk 大哥... 這題我有莫北北的筆計.... 他說這題也是.... 不過這是兩個連接不是三個, 所以我才想一併討論.... 原句是這樣 .....

file and set ===> by filing , seting (第一步先去 and 加逗點 set 加 ing 第二步 看到句子有 by 所以 file 要改 filing )

有筆計的倫幫偶求證一下ㄛ !

這就是我的疑問 為啥不用 and 直接聯接兩個分詞 是不是ets 要告訴我們啥

:-#

2.表分詞構句,一般代替主要子句主詞,今天看到魚的這題的解釋,發現到說又可代替主要句子的整體狀態,受惠了


Mike....我想這就是之前所討論的 ets 不能用 which代整個句子, 所以要改分詞來表示整個句子所表達的概念, 這就是 那鍋 mondfish 會引起爭論的原因
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這裡有相關討論
分詞構句的問題好像常常被拿出來遊街示眾 :o
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帖子QQcandy » 2004-11-30 11:27

2218 謝謝你

不過這題就是從那題延申出來滴, 現在好巷有點成春秋戰國時代 ....

有點分列....

可以請大大把它統合整李一下嗎 ?
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帖子agk99 » 2004-11-30 14:09

這一篇為什麼要獨立討論,可以併回另一篇OG154嗎

anyway
我發現目前大家對這題的理解大致上有兩個方向
一是In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation, (and by)setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.
也就是 stunned是主要動詞,後面兩個filing 與 setting都是由by...and by....引導而來
另一看法是
In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, [(Robert)stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation], setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.
也就是前面這句讓後面setting

上述兩者句意差異雖小,但仍有不同,請大家討論
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帖子Ethan » 2004-11-30 15:17

我寫好了,等明天再上傳。
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帖子游客 » 2004-11-30 15:53

agk99 \$m[1]:這一篇為什麼要獨立討論,可以併回另一篇OG154嗎


請合併一下
我po完才發現到跟QQ發的那篇og154才相差一分鐘
難怪會這個樣子
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帖子agk99 » 2004-11-30 16:58

看Ethan 的啦!!
(兩位B開頭的牛,做了牛就不管我們了,哼)
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帖子micht » 2004-11-30 17:05

等待Ethan的答覆 i57
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帖子Behemoth » 2004-11-30 17:29

agk99 \$m[1]:看Ethan 的啦!!
(兩位B開頭的牛,做了牛就不管我們了,哼)


有 大哥 千萬別這麼說

我要說的都被魚說光了啦

所以沒得講.... :^)
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帖子Behemoth » 2004-11-30 18:18

agk99 \$m[1]:這一篇為什麼要獨立討論,可以併回另一篇OG154嗎

anyway
我發現目前大家對這題的理解大致上有兩個方向
一是In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation, (and by)setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.
也就是 stunned是主要動詞,後面兩個filing 與 setting都是由by...and by....引導而來
另一看法是
In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, [(Robert)stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation], setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.
也就是前面這句讓後面setting

上述兩者句意差異雖小,但仍有不同,請大家討論


我同意第二種講法
以ving形式表伴隨結果

因為是先有firing這動作 才接著有後面setting free這動作

簡單的說我覺得跟259的少小離家老大回是同一概念 同意前人說法~
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